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re: Russia Uses White Phosphorous on ISIS

Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:57 pm to
Posted by rbWarEagle
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:57 pm to
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Oh my goodness. What if they fail.. Do we all just hand over the keys..



Your obvious testosterone-fueled lack of understanding is not my fault, and after this I'll waste no more time trying to explain.

- I hate Islamist/Jihadist extremism and have spoken out against the barbarism of Islam for years
- As I've already said, I'm glad they are being bombed for various reasons
- Acknowledging our inability to wipe out an ideology with bombs is not a "hopeless" or "defeatist" attitude. It's called reality.
Posted by rbWarEagle
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 1:59 pm to
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The US wasn't above chemical warfare, war crimes, and human rights violations in Iraq, a war they should have never entered. Just think of what they're capable of against ISIS, now with the full support of millions of pissed off warmongers.



Again, I doubt these were government sanctioned activities. I agree with your sentiment, though.
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:00 pm to
Clausewitz is dead, bro. Let it go.
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:00 pm to
I'd like to know how much time you spent in country. You sure like to judge our own.
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:03 pm to
What has he said that was wrong?
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:03 pm to
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Clausewitz is dead, bro. Let it go.




Indeed he is. But we're still faced with an enemy dead set on or destruction. So what do we do about that?
Posted by Spaulding Smails
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:05 pm to
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So what do we do about that?


Get your old gang "Tons of Anarchy" back together and go show those cowards some American justice
Posted by Blue Velvet
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:05 pm to
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Again, I doubt these were government sanctioned activities. I agree with your sentiment, though.
I don't know how much of it was sanctioned, but I know the military tried very hard to suppress coverage and news related to the events and multiple people testified that civilians were specifically targeted. Regardless, Abu Ghraib was sanctioned so we already know there is no depth of depravity to which the US military will not sink.
Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:05 pm to
Wow, I knew you lied about your history as a 1%er, but never would have guessed you weren't truthful about serving our country. Very shameful IMO.
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:05 pm to
Hard to say. The clausewitzien paradigm doesn't account for an amorphous, not readily identifiable and hyper-mobile enemy like ISIS. Where and what is the center of gravity that you propose we destroy?
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:06 pm to
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Hard to say. The clausewitzien paradigm doesn't account for an amorphous, not readily identifiable and hyper-mobile enemy like ISIS. Where and what is the center of gravity that you propose we destroy?


What is the center of their world?
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:07 pm to
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Hard to say. The clausewitzien paradigm doesn't account for an amorphous, not readily identifiable and hyper-mobile enemy like ISIS. Where and what is the center of gravity that you propose we destroy?


I don't think this is the answer or correct paradigm, but I think there are two cities that you could destroy to get your point across.
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:07 pm to
That's my question for you.
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:08 pm to
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I don't know how much of it was sanctioned, but I know the military tried very hard to suppress coverage and news related to the events and multiple people testified that civilians were specifically targeted. Regardless, Abu Ghraib was sanctioned so we already know there is no depth of depravity to which the US military will not sink.



Well, in this subtopic, we've deviated from my original point which was that the President of the United States will never direct the use of chemical weapons.

and, FYI, I feel there is a valid argument for torture.
This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 2:09 pm
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:08 pm to
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Higher order consciousness is what separates us from the apes, though.


Well, that, and Willie Pete.
Posted by BigEdLSU
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:08 pm to
I've been known to take war crime assumptions with a grain of salt.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Member since Dec 2011
72213 posts
Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:09 pm to
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Wow, I knew you lied about your history as a 1%er, but never would have guessed you weren't truthful about serving our country. Very shameful IMO.


Just when I thought you and your buddies could not sink any lower, you go and prove me wrong. frick you, punk.
Posted by Blue Velvet
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:14 pm to
Murdering a cab driver held on suspicion =/= torture
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:15 pm to
Like I said, I feel there is a valid argument for torture. Not what you're referring to.
Posted by tigerfoot
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:15 pm to
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Just think of what they're capable of against ISIS, now with the full support of millions of pissed off warmongers.
what are your feelings when you watch 100s approaching thousands of people killed in just a couple weeks.

Plane loads, concert goers, all in different theaters but all being killed by an enemy that has sworn to kill us all.

How do you suppose we go about fighting them...and spare the Iraq hyperbole.
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