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Remember how people used to say "The exception that proves the rule".

Posted on 1/7/25 at 1:48 pm
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 1:48 pm
What does that actually mean? I always pretended that I got it but it doesn't really make sense. Can someone give an example?
Posted by Aguga
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 1:49 pm to
It means crawfish prices are going up.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 1:49 pm to
Nothing is absolute, so there is an expection to everything.
Posted by i am dan
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 1:50 pm to
quote:

The idiom "the exception that proves the rule" means that an exception to a general statement actually emphasizes the truth of that statement. Here are some examples:
"Most company directors are middle-aged men, but this 28-year-old woman is an exception that proves the rule".
"Dury was the exception that proves the rule that you can't make serious points with funny lyrics".
"Steve O'Keefe has become the exception that proves the rule of cricketers' squeaky-cleanliness".


Honestly, I still don't get it.

I don't get the "proves the rule" part... otherwise they're just ordinary exceptions it seems...

Wiki

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"The exception that proves the rule" is a saying whose meaning is contested. Henry Watson Fowler's Modern English Usage identifies five ways in which the phrase has been used,[1] and each use makes some sort of reference to the role that a particular case or event takes in relation to a more general rule.

Two original meanings of the phrase are usually cited. The first, preferred by Fowler, is that the presence of an exception applying to a specific case establishes ("proves") that a general rule exists. A more explicit phrasing might be "the exception that proves the existence of the rule."[1] Most contemporary uses of the phrase emerge from this origin,[2] although often in a way which is closer to the idea that all rules have their exceptions.[1] The alternative origin given is that the word "prove" is used in the archaic sense of "test",[3] a reading advocated, for example, by a 1918 Detroit News style guide:

The exception proves the rule is a phrase that arises from ignorance, though common to good writers. The original word was preuves, which did not mean proves but tests.[4]

In this sense, the phrase does not mean that an exception demonstrates a rule to be true or to exist, but that it tests the rule, thereby proving its value. There is little evidence of the phrase being used in this second way.[1][2][5]
This post was edited on 1/7/25 at 1:54 pm
Posted by bad93ex
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Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 1:54 pm to
Stereotypes exist for a reason and people will always point out when something or someone that doesn't follow the aforementioned stereotype but proves the value of the rule since it is a rare occurrence.

For example: When a team leads the turnover battle and has more offensive yards they are typically the winner but there are exceptions to this and I am sure someone with deep sports knowledge will know the exceptions off of the top of their head.
This post was edited on 1/7/25 at 1:56 pm
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 1:55 pm to
As Confucius say, he who sit on jelly donut put arse in jam.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
40624 posts
Posted on 1/7/25 at 1:59 pm to
quote:

Honestly, I still don't get it.


Thank you brother. Sometimes I feel like I'm alone out here.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 2:02 pm to
Usually, the exception is so rare or seemingly so out of place, it highlights just how "true" the rule actually is. It is so noteworthy that some exception didn't follow the assumed rule, that is a marked occurance.

This post was edited on 1/7/25 at 2:04 pm
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 2:06 pm to
Like throwing a no-hitter and losing the game
Posted by LSUGrrrl
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

Usually, the exception is so rare or seemingly so out of place, it highlights just how "true" the rule actually is. It is so noteworthy that some exception didn't follow the assumed rule, that is a marked occurance.



This is the easiest way to explain it.

A “rule” means it is the norm… what is “supposed” to happen bc it’s what happens most frequently.

When something outside of that norm happens, it’s only noticed bc it’s an aberration. It’s not normal for it to happen.

Therefore, in order for it to be noticed, it proves there actually is a norm or rule to begin with.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
40624 posts
Posted on 1/7/25 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

Usually, the exception is so rare or seemingly so out of place, it highlights just how "true" the rule actually is. It is so noteworthy that some exception didn't follow the assumed rule, that is a marked occurance.


I kind of get that but what it actually does is disprove the rule.
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 2:10 pm to
Well said, Grrrl.

Hope you're feeling better after the unfortunate stomach issues.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

I kind of get that but what it actually does is disprove the rule.


Not really. Unless you operate with the assumption that something can't be a rule of thumb if there is ever a different outcome, which by definition wouldn't be a rule of thumb.

Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 2:11 pm to
I still remember where I was when App State beat Michigan in 2007. That's what is meant by it
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
41246 posts
Posted on 1/7/25 at 2:11 pm to

You wouldn’t even notice something if it wasn’t outside the norm, thereby proving there is a norm or “rule.”
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
41246 posts
Posted on 1/7/25 at 2:12 pm to
Thanks, LCA

Feeling much better, thanks. Might try to eat something other than a plain baked potato for dinner tonight. It was a rough week.
This post was edited on 1/7/25 at 2:15 pm
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
37460 posts
Posted on 1/7/25 at 2:13 pm to
quote:

You wouldn’t even notice something if it wasn’t outside the norm, thereby proving there is a norm or “rule.”


Exactly.

Whenver you find an OT poster that isn't 6'3 250 making $3.50M per year, you are so flabbergasted it proves just how normal that is for everyone here.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 2:15 pm to
quote:

It means crawfish prices are going up.


that is the rule

the exception is when they go down
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
40624 posts
Posted on 1/7/25 at 2:21 pm to
quote:

You wouldn’t even notice something if it wasn’t outside the norm, thereby proving there is a norm or “rule.”


That makes sense. I'm at peace with it.
Posted by lsuconnman
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 2:23 pm to
It’s inherently confusing, and its use adds no value to an explanation. It’s like saying the better team didn’t win.

I suspect people that use that phrase are the same that will ask….did you not go to the game?
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