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Posted on 7/21/25 at 4:55 pm to LegendInMyMind
I have nothing to add, but this thread fascinates me.
Amazing to me the animals that have been wiped out in "recent" history.
And growing up in LA with a grandma interested in birds and bigfoot, and a great uncle that was MUFON chapter president. The Ivory Bill debates have always entertained me.
Amazing to me the animals that have been wiped out in "recent" history.
And growing up in LA with a grandma interested in birds and bigfoot, and a great uncle that was MUFON chapter president. The Ivory Bill debates have always entertained me.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 5:34 pm to LegendInMyMind
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They can try, but I doubt seriously they will have any real world success. Conservationists tried saving them when they had the real deal survivors to work with, and every effort failed.
I'm not mad. The lines at the car wash are already too long.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 5:46 pm to TFLEX
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Amazing to me the animals that have been wiped out in "recent" history.
And those are just the headline grabbing species, the flashy ones.
If you want to learn more, and maybe get a little depressed, you can dive into the debate as to whether or not we are currently in the midst of a sixth mass extinction event. It is some interesting reading.
This post was edited on 7/21/25 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 7/21/25 at 9:18 pm to LegendInMyMind
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And those are just the headline grabbing species, the flashy ones.
If you want to learn more, and maybe get a little depressed, you can dive into the debate as to whether or not we are currently in the midst of a sixth mass extinction event. It is some interesting reading.
I think i dipped into that a little.
The last few years I've really been more intrigued by alternative history- Graham Hancock is kind of the big name right now- but just the idea that things may be much older than they seem, and as we know history is written by the Victor's.
And a ton of reading into the people Missing in our national parks.
But yes, tons of other animals, and plants- just gone in the last 200 years.
The honey bees decline is alarming as well.
My favorite part is the unknown- just hoping that we are wrong- and maybe there is stuff still out there we just aren't seeing.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 10:05 pm to TFLEX
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The honey bees decline is alarming as well.
We do everything we can to help the honey bee, almost at the expense of every other native pollinator we have. The European Honeybee, though markedly different than the overwhelming majority of our native bees and pollinators in its social existence, is used as a proxy for pretty much every one of our native pollinators when it comes to the study, development, vetting, and approval of insecticides. We figure out, roughly in some cases, the toxicity of a particular chemical to non-native European Honeybees and extrapolate that baseline out to all other pollinators.
The problem is that most of our native bees couldn't be more different than the European Honeybee. They are solitary bees who lack the buffer a colony gives them when it comes to chemical exposure. With our natives there is usually one bee, one nest, and a limited number of offspring. We quite literally in most instances have no idea the impact of insecticides on these bees, and wasps, and butterflies, and moths.
Now, it is rightfully argued that the European Honeybee is worthy if that position due to its commercial impact. That is true and understandable, but to this point at the position where differences can be made the wellbeing of our native pollinators barely registers, if it is factored in at all.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 9:15 pm to LegendInMyMind
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How have they done? How old are they now?
Sorry, didn’t see this.
I planted some in the winter of 2022-2023 and some last winter. I have the in tree tubes so the deer won’t eat them. Bought them from Whitetail hill chestnuts. They’re doing great. They’re bareroot saplings when you get them. The older ones are 3-4ft tall now and should really make a jump next year.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 10:22 pm to bbvdd
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