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re: Pitbull attacks, child dies

Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:22 am to
Posted by CadesCove
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:22 am to
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Because the 1st thing you'd go do, is try and compare the attacks from a pit to the attacks of a shepherd.


Uh, yeah.
Posted by oldcharlie8
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:23 am to
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Pit bulls are great dogs


this is probably what the lady was saying to all the people who questioned about her owning a pit before this incident.

I would really love to know what's her opinion now that her child is gone.

Posted by LSUChamp06
Kansas City
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:25 am to
I wonder if the apartment complex will catch some flack for a tenant owning such large dogs within their complex. Any apartment or house I've ever rented had either weight restrictions, breed restrictions, or both.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:26 am to
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I have a half breed, but I would never bring her around any little 10 month old, because she's a dog, and thinks like a dog, and me, I think like a human with sense. I also would never have brought either of my two shepherds or my Dobbie I owned at one point around a 10 month old. It's not wise when they aren't in their pack, and still I would be wary of that unsupervised interaction.


do you have neighbors with small children?
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:27 am to
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I wonder if the apartment complex will catch some flack for a tenant owning such large dogs within their complex. Any apartment or house I've ever rented had either weight restrictions, breed restrictions, or both.


That's a pretty recent development, not size, as much as breed restrictions.

Posted by Camo Tiger 337
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:27 am to
Totally agree but I'll say this in defense of the both the dog and the kid.

Most of the time when you let a kid(6 and under) play with a dog, even if supervised, the kid will most likely do something it doesn't mean to. The dog doesn't know that though. The dog will think and react just like a grown arse man would.

Kid's playing with dog and unintentionally pulls the ear or the tail and hurts the dog, dog attacks out of fear or reflex and all of a sudden, all we know is the dog attacked. We ain't do nothing to it, it just attacked. That what I think happened in this case, but unfortunately we'll never know because it is a "pit".
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:29 am to
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do you have neighbors with small children?


Sure do, and I wouldn't allow a 10 month old around her to pull her tail or try to ride her back either. I don't know how she would react, and don't want to find out, but I feel the same with every dog, even smaller ankle biters. It's not a smart or responsible thing to do.
Posted by Camo Tiger 337
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:31 am to
To be fair to the dog, they can be good dogs when a result of good breeding and good responsible owners. Not the dog's fault if what it's bred to do is wrong, and the owner allows it so the dog knows no better. It's like saying kids are great. If you raise them correctly with discipline and fun, they will most likely turn out well. Not all will because not all are the same. Everyone is different with a different mind, genes and bloodlines. Same with pits and other dogs.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:31 am to
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Sure do, and I wouldn't allow a 10 month old around her


and that is fine

but you don't have much control over the situation if your dog gets out

that is my concern with our neighbor

I don't know why you keep insinuating that I let my daughter play with dogs
Posted by thedice20
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:31 am to
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Kid's playing with dog and unintentionally pulls the ear or the tail and hurts the dog, dog attacks out of fear or reflex and all of a sudden, all we know is the dog attacked. We ain't do nothing to it, it just attacked. That what I think happened in this case, but unfortunately we'll never know because it is a "pit".




Yes, and thats the whole issue with Pits. They are more likely to snap when a child has done something like pull its ear, run through the house screaming, or jump on the sleeping pit.

No one will ever change someones mind on an internet message board, but i will always maintain that pitt bulls are wired differently than any other dog breed.

They are inherently more dangerous, regardless of how its raised. Period.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 9:32 am
Posted by Camo Tiger 337
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:32 am to
Did they weigh the dog themselves?
quote:

Any apartment or house I've ever rented had either weight restrictions, breed restrictions, or both.

Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
72136 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:32 am to
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If I told you German Shepherds were my nominee for top 2 most dangerous dogs, you wouldn't believe me. Especially if I told you Pits weren't my number one. Know why? Because the 1st thing you'd go do, is try and compare the attacks from a pit to the attacks of a shepherd.



I wonder why?



Yes, Pits accounted for almost 80% of all fatal dog attacks in 2013



But 2013 was no fluke, 2012 was pretty much the same story.




And 2011 was even worse than 2012!

Posted by iwasthere
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2010
1913 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:33 am to
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Why is it people were able to see the danger of owning a chow but cannot see it with the pit?


A chow was never recognized as a family friendly pet. They got popular because of their look like you stated. The pit(even though originally bred to bait and fight) was always known as a great family pet. It wasn't until the wrong people got them that these incidents started happening on this level. It used to be that when a pit was aggressive towards a human, it was put down. This included the fighting pits.

Another point about something previous posters stated. When looking at stats, they are just that. They show only what they want you to see. I will never dispute the fact that pits have been involved in more deaths. I will say that you alos have to look at the number of pits in America compared to other breeds. I would be willing to say that there are more pits than any other breed. The problem with this is we have no clue how many of each breed there are. When numbers are posted, it is usually based off what a kennel club says they have registered. These numbers don't include what isn't registered or what is registered with other clubs. So numbers a re skewed to look worse for the pit.

And an APBT is the same as an AmStaff.
Posted by Camo Tiger 337
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2014
2083 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:38 am to
I actually don't agree with people having large dogs around kids because both can be unpredictable in a misunderstanding. I just wish people would look at both sides of the story in such cases. Really makes the pit bull look worse than what they truly are.

Whether the dog had rabies or the scenario above happened, something sparked it to happen. Dogs are too smart to bite the hand that feeds him for nothing. Then again, are we even sure the dog was a pit? Because
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:41 am to
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quote: Sure do, and I wouldn't allow a 10 month old around her and that is fine but you don't have much control over the situation if your dog gets out that is my concern with our neighbor I don't know why you keep insinuating that I let my daughter play with dogs


Unless your 10 month old is unsupervised in the yard and makes a conscious attempt to seek my dog out and mess with her, it's a non issue. She would probably not even pay her one second of though. Fact is, by dog would almost certainly roll over and get her belly rubbed or piss all over the place when she came up to be petted before anything like you may imagine would happen. However, that still doesn't mean I would want them interacting unsupervised, and I don't let her get out, like I don't play with loaded guns or let them out to play with 10 months old, loaded or not.

Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:41 am to
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I will say that you alos have to look at the number of pits in America compared to other breeds. I would be willing to say that there are more pits than any other breed.



You can say that... but you'd be wrong.

To help you find them on the list.....

Bull Terriers
52 - 2013
51 - 2012
57 - 2011
72 - 2010

So while it's never been higer than 51st when it comes to breeds i nthe US, year after year it accounts for over 2/3 of all fatal dog attacks, in fact it usually kills more than all other breeds combined.
Posted by Camo Tiger 337
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2014
2083 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:44 am to
You really think all dog attacks are recorded and make headlines like this? Think about it, if Manziel and Mettenberger both got in offseason trouble, same offense and in the same state(law purposes), who do you think would people would really care about? Who do you think ESPN would report on about 80% of the time?


Pit bulls are bred to fight which is why they are clear leaders in this case. And don't hit me with the "Oh that's just an excuse, blood doesn't mean anything".
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
72136 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:46 am to
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Whether the dog had rabies or the scenario above happened, something sparked it to happen. Dogs are too smart to bite the hand that feeds him for nothing. Then again, are we even sure the dog was a pit? Because



You're missing one key point. Yes, all dogs can snap. I cited the example of my own brother being attacked by a poodle when he was an infant. The difference though is when a poodle snaps, the chances of serious injury are slim. When a pit bull snaps, people (usually children) die. Add in the fact that when it comes to dogs snapping, Pits are commonly known to snap at higher rates than other breeds, the only logical conclusion left is that the Pit is an inherently dangerous breed, far more dangerous in fact than any other breed.
Posted by iwasthere
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2010
1913 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:46 am to
Wow guy. Please reread all my post. That link is only what is registered with the AKC. It doesn't include unregistered dogs or dogs with the UKC or other kennel clubs. Nice try though.
Posted by Franktowntiger7
Ponchatoula
Member since Dec 2010
2726 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:47 am to
Thought I would just chime in again that if you like Pitts you are trashy.
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