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re: Philando Castile shooting dashcam video released - NSFW
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:09 am to abitaman6363
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:09 am to abitaman6363
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You're assuming Castille reached for his gun. He let the officer know he had a firearm.
He did not let the officer know he had a gun as soon as contact was made. He only let the cop know as he was already reaching for his information.
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It is likely Castille was reaching for his wallet/insurance--not the gun.
How the hell is the cop supposed to know that?
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 11:11 am
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:12 am to SUB
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I've listened to this at high volume on headphones at least 20 times.
Perhaps that high volume over time has damaged your hearing.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:25 am to abitaman6363
quote:This is true, but a few things are in play, not saying you insinuated any, but just throwing these out.
The issue is that what happened to Philando Castille in all likelihood would not have happened had he instead been a white girl from the burbs.
You know it. I know it.
1That doesn't automatically mean it's a racial thing. I'm sure it's just fact that officers deal with more unruly black males than white girls from the burbs.
I mean, I'd expect an officer to be more on guard going through a crime riddled neighborhood in Chicago than some wealthy neighborhood, you're just playing the odds, something everyone of us do in all walks of life, but certainly when it comes to something safety related.
We can say cops should do this or that, but they're human. Just like if you're walking with your family/young kids and see a group of 5 guys who just look "mean" if you will, you'll be on guard a bit more than if you saw 5 preppy looking chicks looking like they're straight out of Clueless. You'll never be able to train that out of cops IMO. And if you do, more cops will be harmed as a result, right?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:28 am to Spock's Eyebrow
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Perhaps that high volume over time has damaged your hearin
Maybe. I actually just slowed it down to half speed and it DOES sound more like he's saying "I'm not pulling it out"...crazy. Then I put it back to normal speed, and it sounds like "I'mma have to pull it out." Regardless. Like I said earlier, even if he said that, it doesn't mean the officer didn't see him reaching for his gun. 
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:28 am to shel311
None of that means that the cop shouldn't be held accountable when they frick up though, which is the case here.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:28 am to abitaman6363
quote:Honest question, do you think all cops are adequately trained for these situations?
Police officers should be granted the utmost respect in our society and be given the tools necessary to do their job (training, equipment, etc.). We should reward them handsomely for their sacrifice
If not, how do you really handle when a cop screws up(nothing super obvious, i'm talking a somewhat gray area like this very example) how much can you really hold him accountable?
It's a really tough situation that I don't know that anyone really has the answers to, it seems.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:30 am to SUB
quote:I listened to that part what feels like a million times and posted probably 2+ days ago what I thought it sounded like, and it's literally the exact quote you said, "I'm a have to pull it out."
o me, it sounds more like he said "I'mma have to pull it out",
That's how I heard it.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:31 am to shel311
Classic case of a cop panicking.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:35 am to Displaced
quote:I don't even know if this makes sense or is contradictory, but I feel like this situation is one where the cop should probably never be a cop again, but also can see why and agree(based on what I know, which is obviously not all the evidence) that he was found not guilty. There's reasonable doubt, just because we have no clue what was going on inside the car, only speculation.
None of that means that the cop shouldn't be held accountable when they frick up though, which is the case here.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:38 am to abitaman6363
quote:You'll never train that out of all cops, or anyone for that matters.
When you say "context" what you meant was his age and race.
Cops are people, people aren't robots. They're going to play the odds, just like you would play the odds with your family/children. And while race is a factor, it's not always race related, it's safety related.
If I saw a group of 5 skinheads with Nazi tats on their face walking my way, I'd be on the same level alert with my family as if i saw any 5 black/asian/hispanic dudes.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:42 am to shel311
The cop panicked, he's in the wrong business
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I already said that, not sure why you're repeating yourself.
The cop panicked, he's in the wrong business
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:58 am to SUB
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even if he said that, it doesn't mean the officer didn't see him reaching for his gun.
The cop misjudged what he saw.
PC misjudged the cop's itchy trigger finger after essentially being told the cop was cool with the gun as long as he didn't reach for it, which he didn't.
Maybe if the cop had told him, "Stop what you're doing and put your hands on the steering wheel" instead of repeatedly telling him not to do what he already wasn't doing, things would have turned out differently.
The cop was far too casual about the admission of the firearm. He needed to give precise instructions as to what PC was to do. PC thought he was complying, yet he still ended up dead, with his girlfriend and the little girl lucky to come out of it alive. Cop failed to control the situation.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:09 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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PC misjudged the cop's itchy trigger finger after essentially being told the cop was cool with the gun as long as he didn't reach for it, which he didn't.
Sorry, but assuming this is completely absurd and unreasonable.
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Maybe if the cop had told him, "Stop what you're doing and put your hands on the steering wheel" instead of repeatedly telling him not to do what he already wasn't doing, things would have turned out differently.
Yes, he probably should've told him to put his hands on the wheel.
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The cop was far too casual about the admission of the firearm.
Not really. Was he supposed to start yelling at the guy immediately? He unholstered his weapon when PC told him about the gun. That's not "being casual".
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Wrong
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:21 pm to upgrayedd
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Sorry, but assuming this is completely absurd and unreasonable.
It's not an assumption. It's a conclusion based on what was said and the context of the stop up until the point when the cop flipped out and emptied his pistol into the car, with the girlfriend and child passengers lucky to come out of it alive. Nothing preceding that leads me to believe PC was about to get into a shootout with the cop.
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Not really. Was he supposed to start yelling at the guy immediately? He unholstered his weapon when PC told him about the gun. That's not "being casual".
Calmly telling someone "Don't reach for it" instead of giving clear instructions like "Stop what you're doing and put your hands on the steering wheel" is being casual. Christ, the cop didn't even relay the revelation about the firearm to his partner standing on the other side of the car.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:21 pm to abitaman6363
Did he have his hand on or not?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:31 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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It's not an assumption. It's a conclusion based on what was said and the context of the stop up until the point when the cop flipped out and emptied his pistol into the car, with the girlfriend and child passengers lucky to come out of it alive. Nothing preceding that leads me to believe PC was about to get into a shootout with the cop.
That's because you're watching it and analyzing it sitting in front of a computer. This guy didn't have a realistic timeline to process and analyze the situation like we do. Put in real time context, it was absolutely reasonable for him to assume that PC could potentially be going for a gun.
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Calmly telling someone "Don't reach for it" instead of giving clear instructions like "Stop what you're doing and put your hands on the steering wheel" is being casual. Christ, the cop didn't even relay the revelation about the firearm to his partner standing on the other side of the car.
Like I said, he should've used different language, but his tone was not too casual. Having you unholstered means you are taking the situation seriously.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:32 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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The cop misjudged what he saw
How do you know this?
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PC misjudged the cop's itchy trigger finger after essentially being told the cop was cool with the gun as long as he didn't reach for it,
I agree
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which he didn't
Again, how do you know this?
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Maybe if the cop had told him, "Stop what you're doing and put your hands on the steering wheel" instead of repeatedly telling him not to do what he already wasn't doing, things would have turned out differently.
Yep.
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The cop was far too casual about the admission of the firearm. He needed to give precise instructions as to what PC was to do. PC thought he was complying, yet he still ended up dead, with his girlfriend and the little girl lucky to come out of it alive. Cop failed to control the situation.
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He needed to give precise instructions as to what PC was to do. PC thought he was complying, yet he still ended up dead, with his girlfriend and the little girl lucky to come out of it alive. Cop failed to control the situation.
I agree. Which is why he may lose a civil suit, especially if he didn't follow police protocol when dealing with an armed person for a normal stop.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:36 pm to abitaman6363
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Here is a hyphen (-). Use it.
I'm posting from a phone, so get over it.
Also, thanks for the non-substantive retort. Hey, I even put a hyphen in there for you.
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