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Posted on 11/1/14 at 2:23 pm to lsu2006
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I'd say you're looking at people that tie their weed use to their identity, and I agree that's pretty douchey. Just like the people that tie drinking to their identity.
Best I can say is that I'm enthusiastic about booze. Craft beer, wine, etc. I enjoy it, although I'm not an alcoholic. Comparable people with weed, that I know at least, don't do anything useful. I know there are productive people who smoke a ton out there, I just haven't ever known any.
Again, I don't think weed is bad, it just has traditionally appealed to a pretty worthless crowd and certainly hasn't enhanced their productivity. That could change, and to some extent, probably has.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 2:24 pm to Pettifogger
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I know there are productive people who smoke a ton out there, I just haven't ever known any.
Its illegal, so productive people aren't going to flaunt it
Posted on 11/1/14 at 2:25 pm to biglego
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Its illegal, so productive people aren't going to flaunt it
DING DING DING
Posted on 11/1/14 at 2:29 pm to Pettifogger
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But most of the people I know who are enthusiastic about weed are totally worthless
Worthless may be a bit harsh but you could say they don't live up to their full potential.
One big difference too is that it's possible to enjoy a nice wine with dinner or a beer as a refresher without getting drunk. I'm not sure you can say you like to enjoy a little pot without getting high.
either way, all drugs should be legal.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 2:33 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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People that drink alcohol but are completely against/opposed to weed
Most of the people I've met that feel this way are redneck trash.
I'm in my mid-40's, have travel all across this country, spent time overseas, and I honestly cannot say I recall ever meeting anyone who drinks alcohol that is at the same time completely against/opposed to weed.
As For me, I don't smoke weed and I do drink. Having said that, I'm not opposed to weed at all.
This post was edited on 11/1/14 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 11/1/14 at 2:37 pm to Futures Bleak
Being against smoking weed and judging someone for smoking weed is not the same
Posted on 11/1/14 at 2:38 pm to runningTiger
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wow you are stuipid. one study from last year claimed that, then you spout it as truth.
lots of studies have shown that marijuana CAUSES schizophrenia
No they haven't. You and this person (who you called stupid) are actually arguing a similar point. Schizophrenia is a complex illness that has multiple genetic and environmental causes. Marijuana is an important environmental factor that can trigger onset and lead to relapse. It is certainly a risk factor for the illness, but it is not a cause in and of itself.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 2:39 pm to Wooly
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Being against smoking weed and judging someone for smoking weed is not the same
I'd put myself in a third category. Not against, don't really judge you for smoking, but I am prejudiced in that I probably assume stereotypical pothead things about you.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 2:40 pm to Pettifogger
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don't really judge you for smoking, but I am prejudiced in that I probably assume stereotypical pothead things about you.
So you don't judge people for smoking weed, you just judge them for smoking weed.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 2:42 pm to lsu2006
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So you don't judge people for smoking weed, you just judge them for smoking weed.
In a way I suppose. But I don't judge in the most common sense "You're a bad person." I prejudge, as in, you're probably kinda spacey and like jam.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 2:43 pm to emmanuellewis
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Marijuana is an important environmental factor that can trigger onset and lead to relapse. It is certainly a risk factor for the illness, but it is not a cause in and of itself.
Good point. One issue I do have with many of the pro-weed crowd is how they deny and downplay any negative aspects of weed. They remind me of old snake oil salesmen in the way they sing the unending praises of all that is good with weed. Look, just be honest about what is good about weed and also the risks and negative aspects of weed. People see though all the bullshite anyway and all you accomplish is you alienate people who otherwise support legalizing weed. And I say that as someone who does not smoke weed but supports legalizing it.
This post was edited on 11/1/14 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 11/1/14 at 2:44 pm to emmanuellewis
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No they haven't. You and this person (who you called stupid) are actually arguing a similar point. Schizophrenia is a complex illness that has multiple genetic and environmental causes. Marijuana is an important environmental factor that can trigger onset and lead to relapse. It is certainly a risk factor for the illness, but it is not a cause in and of itself.
bla bla bla
same way tobacco does not CAUSE lung cancer, right? because some people who smoke all their lives don't develop LCa. there's a strong enough association to describe it as a cause in lingo and every day life. philosophically, there are many causes to every illness. for general speaking, those "causes" that are closely linked, even though they are just a "contributing factor" philsophically, are said in commmon parlance to be a cause.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 2:45 pm to Pettifogger
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In a way I suppose. But I don't judge in the most common sense "You're a bad person." I prejudge, as in, you're probably kinda spacey and like jam.
Fair enough.
I do like strawberry jam, but prefer some good preserves to be honest.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 2:45 pm to Darth_Vader
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One issue I do have with many of he pro-weed crowd is how they deny and downplay any negative aspects of weed
Bc there are no negative aspects. Cannabis is a miracle plant.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 2:47 pm to runningTiger
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don't know if you access to Pub Med database or not, but here are a few recent studies showing support for marijuana causing schizophrenia:
Laeknabladid. 2014 Sep;100(9):443-51.
[Does the use of cannabis increase the risk for psychosis and the development of schizophrenia?].
[Article in Icelandic]
Jonsson AJ, Birgisdottir H, Sigurdsson E.
ront Psychiatry. 2014 May 22;5:54. doi: 10.3389/fpsyt.2014.00054. eCollection 2014.
Gone to Pot - A Review of the Association between Cannabis and Psychosis.
Radhakrishnan R1, Wilkinson ST1, D'Souza DC2.
Psychol Med. 2014 Dec;44(16):3387-405. doi: 10.1017/S0033291714000166. Epub 2014 Feb 20.
How much do we know about schizophrenia and how well do we know it? Evidence from the Schizophrenia Library.
Matheson SL, Shepherd AM, Carr VJ.
Schizophr Res. 2014 Jul;156(2-3):211-6. doi: 10.1016/j.schres.2014.04.003. Epub 2014 May 13.
The effect of drug use on the age at onset of psychotic disorders in an Australian cohort.
Stefanis NC1, Dragovic M2, Power BD3, Jablensky A4, Castle D5, Morgan VA6.
of course, i don't expect potheads to do any actual reading or critical thinking because they'd rather rest on their headlines and assumptions
You are so dumb it hurts.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 2:51 pm to runningTiger
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same way tobacco does not CAUSE lung cancer, right? because some people who smoke all their lives don't develop LCa. there's a strong enough association to describe it as a cause in lingo and every day life. philosophically, there are many causes to every illness. for general speaking, those "causes" that are closely linked, even though they are just a "contributing factor" philsophically, are said in commmon parlance to be a cause.
You're extrapolating a bit too much for me too agree.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 2:52 pm to Col Reb is my mascot
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One is legal.... And one isn't
Posted on 11/1/14 at 2:53 pm to biglego
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Bc there are no negative aspects. Cannabis is a miracle plant.
That's the official party line but if you look at it objectively, you'll see it's simply not true. There are real benefits to weed. Those need to be part of the discussion. But there are also things about weed that are not positive. If you really want people to support legalization, then the pro-weed crowd needs to acknowledge the whole truth of what is good and what is bad about weed. Otherwise, people will always look at the pro-weed lobby as simply agenda driven and dishonest.
Posted on 11/1/14 at 2:53 pm to Futures Bleak
I don't smoke the pot, but I don't give a shite that people do. I just prefer my buzz on ice.
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