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re: OT lawyers: is Tony Stewart going to go to jail?

Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:31 pm to
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:31 pm to
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doesnt have the same sense as the emergency crew


He has raced enough to know at what point to expect the emergency crew and how much time he has to get his car whoaed down to pace car speed. 1/2 lap is far too soon for anyone to get on track.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:32 pm to
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You better edit before Chicken sees


I apologize profusely.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:33 pm to
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You mean reaction time to the guy in the black drivers suit who almost got hit by the car in front of TS that had came even further down a race track he is not supposed to even be standing in?


at that speed I'd think a texting soccer mom in her mini van could have reacted better
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:33 pm to
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I apologize profusely.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:34 pm to
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've been seeing from those who want to condemn Tony without any evidence


You mean other than the video evidence. Which is pretty evident that he hit the guy.

Also, looks pretty conclusive that he punched the gas, but for what reason is unknown.


FWIW, I think the guy committed suicide doing what he did. I think Stewart has some partial blame. That is just assumptions based off his past history.

Stewart was never going to go after the guy, but he wasn't going to miss the chance to be a bully.

No jail time, $15MM civil settlement.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20631 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:34 pm to
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oh yeh

Even stupid Grassy1 don't deserve that. My sarcasm gets away from me sometime.
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 3:35 pm
Posted by skinny domino
sebr
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:34 pm to
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The MSB thread was frustrating... people coming in using words like "obviously" and "clearly".
Stewart has a rep of being a hot head - the two words above - (obviously/clearly) don't mean jack shite - the folks who bankrolled his team -AKA the money folk - will decide his fate - if you don't have those people (sponsors) you ain't gonna run.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:35 pm to
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at that speed I'd think a texting soccer mom in her mini van could have reacted better



Everyones response is that you have no clue because you have never drove a sprint car. Only one person in this thread had experience and he was on the fence with his assessment.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20631 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:37 pm to
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There was the guy who passed higher than Tony and who was just as close as the 45...



Bad pic but I'll give you that, 2 cars and then young alpha highly competitive mad male steps farther down the track ....
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:39 pm to
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you have never drove a sprint car.

whoop-di-fricking-do, speed on my usual whip doesn't even register until 69mph, driving a sprint car would be like driving a golf cart in comparison, an electric one, with an almost dead battery
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76413 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:42 pm to
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whoop-di-fricking-do, speed on my usual whip doesn't even register until 69mph, driving a sprint car would be like driving a golf cart in comparison, an electric one, with an almost dead battery


YOU DON'T KNOW!!!! Smoke is innocent!!


Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20631 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:43 pm to
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(but obviously, Kevin had time to unstrap, get of his car, 4 cars go by...

That is no proof of sufficient time. Your ignorance brah, your ignorance....
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At least 4 other cars didn't hit Kevin or his car, and all seemed to see him.

Did you also see how K.W. backed away from the cars before T.S. ran up the track to level his young stupid arse??
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For those not able to see and hear Tony accelerate, you need to watch the video on a larger and louder monitor.

17" screen here and racing experience tells me it could have even been a car in the pits ... maybe not even on the track.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87204 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:45 pm to
There is no evidence in that video showing that TS accelerated, turned toward him, or anything else that would suggest he did anything maliciously.

The "rev up" that people hear is more likely from a closer car. Can't be proven from the video that it's TS. Other cars passed higher than TS so why is it that TS's line was wrong? The turn to the right happens after contact which makes sense since he struck the right rear.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33056 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:46 pm to
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It looks like vehicular manslaughter to me.


Not a Stewart fan?

Honestly, from the video, the guy would have been just fine had he stayed in his car and off the track....particularly if he hadn't jumped out in front of that one race car at the last minute. That whole track is one of those compacted dirt courses. Cars don't turn or stop on a dime with that kind of traction.

I don't follow Nascar or whatever kind of cars those were in the video....so I don't know if any rules were broken or if either person didn't follow safety protocol. From an outsider's perspective, that looks like there was no way he could have avoided tagging that guy. Had he not turned left at the last second, he may have hit him with the front instead of the back tire.

I don't think we can honestly tell which car was accelerating from the video. They all sound exactly the same.

I have a question....why was he so infuriated that he had to jump out onto a race track? Was the collision with Stewart's car on the previous lap unavoidable or was it intentional? They seem to make contact pretty frequently in racing.

Is there not a pace car for this type of race? What is the typical safety protocol?
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 3:54 pm
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20631 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:48 pm to
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are you suggesting the drivers hadn't stopped racing and weren't slowed to a safe speed passing the car in the wall?

Yes, that is correct. The flag stand is across the field from the accident. Tony would have only about 1/2 track of slowing to a safe speed. If you watch racing you know these guys don't use much brake to slow down to pace speed. No one on emergency crew gets on track until they are told to do so. On a track this size it would be after at one lap of yellow.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87204 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:48 pm to
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I don't think we can honestly tell which car was accelerating from the video. They all sound exactly the same.
And if you let the video play and keep listening (over the man's voice), you hear more revs.
Posted by Al Dante
Member since Mar 2013
1860 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:49 pm to
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FWIW, I think the guy committed suicide doing what he did.


To me the whole thing looks like a very public purposeful suicide.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20631 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:50 pm to
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How could such a badass race car driver have such shitty reaction time?

Go back a few pages and look at the view from one of these cars. Pay close attention to right front.
Posted by TigerFred
Feeding hamsters
Member since Aug 2003
27814 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:55 pm to
I would encourage those on both sides of this argument to read the article linked from Road and Track.com by Steven Cole Smith.

LINK

Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108567 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:56 pm to
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Go back a few pages and look at the view from one of these cars. Pay close attention to right front.
I have seen this video, and the camera is clearly left of the drivers head, which would obstruct the right front worse then it actually is.
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