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Posted on 6/2/14 at 10:59 pm to Traffic Circle
Go away troll
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:03 pm to oilmanNO
Why are you hating on me? I have valid points?
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:10 pm to oilmanNO
All you are doing is trying to run off the founder and most vocal member of this great thread.
You must be one of those new Optometrist Surgeons trying to squelch all debate about your new fancy surgery skills. That's it, isn't it?
You must be one of those new Optometrist Surgeons trying to squelch all debate about your new fancy surgery skills. That's it, isn't it?
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:15 pm to Traffic Circle
I sort of appreciate traffic circle's circular reasoning and general confused, misinformed viewpoint. Let's get this thing to 100 pages. All hands on deck
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:15 pm to Traffic Circle
LINK
THIS is what it was all about!!!
Heitmeire in picture with Governor for HB1065 – Heitmeire voted with Jindal and against democrats on some really big bills (even voted for Jindal’s legislation to stop levee board lawsuit ) I wonder what Heitmeire asked of Jindal? Jindal for prez? Total BS. This issue was never about right or wrong. A sad day for unsuspecting people of La.
THIS is what it was all about!!!
Heitmeire in picture with Governor for HB1065 – Heitmeire voted with Jindal and against democrats on some really big bills (even voted for Jindal’s legislation to stop levee board lawsuit ) I wonder what Heitmeire asked of Jindal? Jindal for prez? Total BS. This issue was never about right or wrong. A sad day for unsuspecting people of La.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:15 pm to Traffic Circle
You got me. I'm an optometrist. Did the user name give it away?
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:16 pm to LATigerdoc
Yeah, oilman, what u got against new optometric laser surgeons?
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:18 pm to LATigerdoc
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I sort of appreciate traffic circle's circular reasoning and general confused, misinformed viewpoint. Let's get this thing to 100 pages. All hands on deck
This is what I am talking about! I am more confused and misinformed than ever!
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:19 pm to jamarkus
Well duh, Heitmeir is Jindal's pick for US VP...
Or wait,,, surgeon general
Or wait,,, surgeon general
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:24 pm to LATigerdoc
LINK
Signed it on a Sunday. Nice and quiet. I bet Heitmeire is eating a big po-boy right now
Signed it on a Sunday. Nice and quiet. I bet Heitmeire is eating a big po-boy right now
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:52 pm to jamarkus
Ready for a Jindal Paul debate
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:54 pm to LATigerdoc
I am Heitmeire. Hear me roarrrr
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:56 pm to jamarkus
Pretty ridiculous use of the word "monopoly" in this thread from the very beginning, scaring people into thinking they were being railroaded. The opthamalogists should have the monopoly on eye care, as should the cardiologists on heart care.
That is a good thing. And hopefully, the public will make the right choice. Before today, the public was being excellently and safely served by the opthamalogists. No price or outcome outcry here.
Just a money grab by the optometrists who want to bill for higher reimbursable procedures.
That is a good thing. And hopefully, the public will make the right choice. Before today, the public was being excellently and safely served by the opthamalogists. No price or outcome outcry here.
Just a money grab by the optometrists who want to bill for higher reimbursable procedures.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 11:59 pm to oilmanNO
quote:
I am Heitmeire
Odds you'll see a optometrist for surgery?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:07 am to RadTiger
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This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 12:08 am
Posted on 6/3/14 at 12:13 am to G Vice
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The opthamalogists should have the monopoly on eye care, as should the cardiologists on heart care.
Very, very true.
quote:
Just a money grab by the optometrists who want to bill for higher reimbursable procedures.
Bingo.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:24 am to LATigerdoc
quote:
Ready for a Jindal Paul debate
i'd be quite interested to see where both of the Paul's would land on this issue.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:50 am to G Vice
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The opthamalogists should have the monopoly on eye care, as should the cardiologists on heart care.
Put a poll out to the public, and explicitly name optometrists as some of those who should be excluded from "eye care," and I bet you'll find this opinion to be quite unpopular.
J/S.
Now, I assume that you didn't actually mean "eye care" in general, and instead meant something like "eye surgery." Such statements as yours typed though DO strongly resemble the first knee-jerk reactions I've witnessed here and in other forums/comment threads on this subject.
They were along the lines of: "frick NO THESE FAKE-arse DOCTORS SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO DO shite."
Later attempts at negotiation that I saw both in issue-discussions and in the legislature, once this thing looked to be potentially successful sounded like this: "OK, OK, we'll consider letting some non-ophth's do some type of surgeries. just please let our board of MDs keep the authority to determine everyone can do any type of eye surgery- this suggestion is fair, and we promise we'll be fair. will we actually re-evaluate what WE have determined the standards actually are? heh."
A great deal of the bitching here has been some variant of "these guys don't DESERVE to be able to do this- they haven't paid their dues!" Immediately resorting to these type of appeals is a great way to lose sympathy from outsiders very quickly. That is, without some reliable-looking quantification of the risk. Little to none was offered. But general warnings of wild danger and doom sure were.
All that said, I know that this legislation is a very risky move. I'm curious to those who flatly oppose it: how should the public assess the outcomes, now that it has passed?
(eta: quick grammar edit)
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 8:54 am
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:09 am to 90proofprofessional
You make a fair point about my use of the term "eye care". It was too broad.
I am not in the camp of those who use the term "fake arse doctor." One can be a non-MD doctoral-level clinician who can serve the public very well within that profession's scope of practice.
But if you ask the public where they go for eye surgery and eye procedures, they will say ophthalmologist. Why wouldn't they? They know what optometrists do and don't do.
So the optometrists have not successfully made the case for it being an issue of access.
Nor have they made the case for better outcomes by letting optometrists do certain procedures, because they have no record of doing them in Louisiana.
What they have done well is some good old fashioned lobbying.
My choice will always be the opthamologist for procedures, unless he refers me to an optometrist for whatever else I (eye) might need. Then, I'll go with that.
I am not in the camp of those who use the term "fake arse doctor." One can be a non-MD doctoral-level clinician who can serve the public very well within that profession's scope of practice.
But if you ask the public where they go for eye surgery and eye procedures, they will say ophthalmologist. Why wouldn't they? They know what optometrists do and don't do.
So the optometrists have not successfully made the case for it being an issue of access.
Nor have they made the case for better outcomes by letting optometrists do certain procedures, because they have no record of doing them in Louisiana.
What they have done well is some good old fashioned lobbying.
My choice will always be the opthamologist for procedures, unless he refers me to an optometrist for whatever else I (eye) might need. Then, I'll go with that.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 10:14 am
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