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Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:56 pm to oilmanNO
The real question is will it pass or get voted down?
I believe last year it was pulled, not voted down.
But it oughta get voted down.
Nobody answered if they'd let a psychologist do their craniotomy?
I believe last year it was pulled, not voted down.
But it oughta get voted down.
Nobody answered if they'd let a psychologist do their craniotomy?
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:58 pm to LATigerdoc
I wouldn't but people should be given the choice. You and I shouldn't limit their options. If they don't trust or believe in that certain doctor than they won't choose them
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:59 pm to LATigerdoc
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Nobody answered if they'd let a psychologist do their craniotomy?
To be fair, with the procedures they're asking for (no injections, limiting to partial thickness of the sclera, etc), it'd be much more akin to a psychologist doing an endovascular aneurysm coiling than a craniotomy.
To which I still would say "no."
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:59 pm to oilmanNO
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In the best interest of the patient? Yeah right. That's the reason ophthalmologists are challenging this. Get real. Let the patient decide. If they don't believe it is safe for them then they won't chose an optometrist. Give them the choice. Free enterprise
Sooooo I feel like flying a commercial jet today. I'm sure I could convince a few unsuspecting tourists that I am a pilot. And I'm sure when I crash over a school we could all just chalk it up to free enterprise.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:01 pm to oilmanNO
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In the best interest of the patient? Yeah right. That's the reason ophthalmologists are challenging this. Get real. Let the patient decide. If they don't believe it is safe for them then they won't chose an optometrist. Give them the choice. Free enterprise
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Doctors are all in it for the money and will do anything they can to get more money. It's a real shame that this is the view of people outside of the field. Sure it applies to some. It would really surprise you the number that are genuinely concerned about patient safety.
For instance, if your PCP sees you have a heart attack, he will probably refer you to a cardiologist. Does he get a kickback on that referral? No. Does he lose money by letting the cardiologist see you rather than himself? Yes. Does he do it because it's safer for you? Absolutely.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:01 pm to EhSeeJay
The majority of patients do not know the difference between optom and ophthom. They think they are the same. These folks would not be able to make an educated decision.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:01 pm to Hopeful Doc
Ha fair enough.
But the 3 laser procedures do amount to BURNING A HOLE or surgically modifying the eye. Tell me I'm anatomically inaccurate...
But the 3 laser procedures do amount to BURNING A HOLE or surgically modifying the eye. Tell me I'm anatomically inaccurate...
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Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:01 pm to oilmanNO
No, the market shouldn't decide who does eye surgeries. That's crazy.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:02 pm to oilmanNO
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I wouldn't but people should be given the choice. You and I shouldn't limit their options. If they don't trust or believe in that certain doctor than they won't choose them
shite, why have any regulation of the medical industry? Let's just let anyone and everyone call themselves a doctor and then just let the consumer decide. A pure free market! It'll be great!
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:02 pm to EhSeeJay
But they can fly a jet.... Just don't have the same thing on their business card as you
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:03 pm to oilmanNO
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You and I shouldn't limit their options.
No, but a single, common board that determines their proficiency should.
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If they don't trust or believe in that certain doctor than they won't choose them
One claims he is LA State Board of Medical Examiners qualified. The other claims LA State Board of Optometry qualifications. No one knows whether they'll be the same (unlikely) or one more laxed than the other. Are those words enough to convince the average patient that they should trust the person performing the procedure? Probably so. And that's what's worrisome.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:04 pm to oilmanNO
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But they can fly a jet.... Just don't have the experience or training and would not know what to do if something went wrong
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:04 pm to LATigerdoc
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But the 3 laser procedures do amount to BURNING A HOLE or surgically modifying the eye. Tell me I'm anatomically inaccurate...
Absolutely correct. And it's a pretty cool procedure to watch. It's done in the office under local anesthesia.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:04 pm to EhSeeJay
quote:someone on opium trying to spell it
the difference between optom and ophthom
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:05 pm to oilmanNO
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But they can fly a jet.... Just don't have the same thing on their business card as you
No, no, no. Not a prime example because it diminished them a little too much, but they are the steward/stewardess. They spend a lot of time on the jet. They know the ins and outs of the jet. They can show you every little compartment on the jet. They could probably sit behind the wheel and make it go in the intended direction. But if turbulence hit, an engine caught fire, or it came time to landing in a strong crosswind, I would very much doubt their ability to bring me down safely.
ETA: The difference is that one logs 100s of surgical cases over 8-11 years of training. The other logs few if any in 4.
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Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:06 pm to Hopeful Doc
If you call yourself a surgeon, the patient tends to believe you
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Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:07 pm to oilmanNO
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In the best interest of the patient? Yeah right. That's the reason ophthalmologists are challenging this. Get real. Let the patient decide. If they don't believe it is safe for them then they won't chose an optometrist. Give them the choice. Free enterprise
If you want me to get real, I will.
The truth is the only group that benefits from this bill is optometrists. Period.
Let's get this straight. If this passes, insurance companies are going to pay the same no matter who performs the procedure. This bill doesn't save the system a dime.
Trust me, no one is getting rich off of these procedures.
If it passes, like I said, I have NO problem competing with optometrists.
According to your theory we should just give patients a choice, right?
Ok, fine.
Let's amend the bill to let palm readers do hand surgery and fortune tellers do brain surgery and we will let those two group regulate themselves as well. That is free enterprise. Let's give patients a choice.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:07 pm to LATigerdoc
But word will eventually get out after that fake surgeon butchers a few hundred eyes. That's how free markets work, silly!
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:08 pm to oilmanNO
quote:I can't even imagine the malpractice and liability suits that would result from such deregulation.
I wouldn't but people should be given the choice. You and I shouldn't limit their options. If they don't trust or believe in that certain doctor than they won't choose them
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