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re: Optometry: LA HB 1065/SB 568: What if your Louisiana Eye Surgeon is NOT an MD?

Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:23 pm to
Posted by Hater Bait
Tuscaloosa & Gulf Shores
Member since Nov 2012
3129 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:23 pm to
quote:

Except that your family doc graduated med school.. Psychologist / neurosurgeon is the more appropriate analogy


Exactly. You know what I'm saying.

Sometimes, you need a specialist.

I think the eye is more sophisticated than say,
emotional feelings or teeth.

My chiropractor helps with my migraines,
but he isn't a neurosurgeon.

I just hope we don't push eye health back.






This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 8:27 pm
Posted by Hater Bait
Tuscaloosa & Gulf Shores
Member since Nov 2012
3129 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:37 pm to
To you or any other doctors on here,
where do you see stem cell research going?

Has the medical community had more of a
free hand with research under the current government?

It's probably the only hope I have of not completely losing my sight.



Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:16 pm to
quote:

I just hope we don't push eye health back.



Me neither. That's why I hope the bill only passes under the condition that all surgeries performed in the state of Louisiana fall under one, unified board.
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:38 pm to
How is a laser blowing a hole in the eye minimally invasive?
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:39 pm to
Can't say one way or the other about this. Not an expert on the laws regarding stem cells. Anybody else know?
Posted by oilmanNO
Member since Oct 2009
2873 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:45 pm to
What I do know is you need a hobby
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
21956 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:47 pm to
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How is a laser blowing a hole in the eye minimally invasive?


Invasive vs minimally invasive is a question of semantics, IMO. For me, this isn't an issue of whether or not ODs would be capable of performing these lasers properly. Sure, there would be a learning curve, but I'm fairly confident that the vast majority would educate themselves and seek training before performing the procedures. I don't think you'd see ODs all over Louisiana lasering everyone that walked into their office once the bill passes.

The much bigger question is do the ODs have the diagnostic skills necessary to know when surgery is necessary. I see patients all the time that bring this into question. Just today, I saw a patient that was told he had elevated pressure in his only good seeing eye and he needed to be treated for it. When I saw him today, his eye pressure was normal showed no signs of glaucoma. If the bill passes, that OD could've just done a laser procedure on his only good eye when it wasn't necessary. I provided another example of this type of mismanagement earlier in this thread, and the example on the previous page by Hater Bait is another instance that shows ODs don't have great diagnostic skills when it comes to the diagnosis of eye disease. I see these type of questionable diagnoses fairly often in my practice.
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:07 pm to
Oilman, come down to Oakdale. I've got tons of hobbies; I'll show you around, it's great!
Posted by guttata
prairieville
Member since Feb 2006
22631 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:10 pm to
And I'm sure you took into consideration the patients diurnal variation as well pachymetry to determine the pressure wasn't high. Maybe referring doc didn't have access to pachymetry or doesn't treat Glaucoma. Not all ODs are certified to use therapeutics, just like not all ODs will get certified to use lasers. Sounds like this particular OD didn't feel comfortable, and wanted a second opinion.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 11:14 pm
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:15 pm to
How can you get "certified" to do laser surgery? That takes like 8+ years.. If you surveyed the people of Louisiana to see if they wanted surgeries in the state "certified" or traditionally trained with med school/residency, I cannot fathom they would go with "certifying".

How would this even work? Like ear tube surgery, abdominal surgeries, plastic surgery, joint surgery, bone surgery?

The eye is not different than the body. How does taking care of vision become any less significant than any other type of surgery?
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 11:21 pm
Posted by Blind Eye
Zachary, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2012
112 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:19 pm to
How many YAG capsulotomies must be done during an ophthalmology residency? 10?

8 plus years sounds about right.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
30957 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:20 pm to
If the optometrist can, I'm going to. At least I went to med school. I figure a 3 day course in Vegas should do it.
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:22 pm to
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This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 11:23 pm
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:25 pm to
Imma say performing 100-200 cataract operations gives one an excellent knowledge of the anatomy of the anterior/posterior chambers and lens capsule and exactly where this membrane they're shooting might be?
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 11:28 pm
Posted by guttata
prairieville
Member since Feb 2006
22631 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:26 pm to
Maybe I misspoke. Once ODs are permitted to use lasers and prove their proficiency, based on the criteria set forth by the Louisiana Board of Optometric Examiners, not all ODs will decide to go through the process. Figured certified would be easier to say for the conversation.
Posted by guttata
prairieville
Member since Feb 2006
22631 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:28 pm to
Actually you can already do the procedures based on the fact that you went to med school. Doesn't matter what specialty you are in.
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
21956 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:31 pm to
Except that the LSBME would revoke the license of a physician performing procedures he/she wasn't trained to do.
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:34 pm to
Plus, physicians are typically not going to do procedure they have not trained for. Way too big of a risk of getting sued and it could harm the patient
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:35 pm to
Amazing how it always goes back to the idea of going to medical school/residency to train in surgery
Posted by Blind Eye
Zachary, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2012
112 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:36 pm to
I'm sure ophthalmologists don't ever misdiagnose or make hair brained decisions. The best was the late 80s when they thought that making up to 32 radial incisions into the cornea with the hope of flattening their k's to 35.00 and giving their cornea waves that would make a tsunami jealous was the best. I've got an office full of folks that need a contact lens as big as a pie plate on top of a cornea as flat as a wall to have some semblance of what you and I call vision. I manage patients whom I am sure never had glaucoma, but had an SLT done. It is perfectly fine to prophylactically treat ocular HTN with SLT. YAG capsulotomy??? My God, I may pit a lens. I know several primary docs that perform chalazion removal. They aren't surgeons either and I am sure that my lid anatomy knowledge is superior to theirs.
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