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Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:16 pm to LATigerdoc
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Plus the four year supervised residency training process
This is my only real point. I understand that there are other differences. However, I think you might be surprised to see what they actually learn in optometry school. They also take neuro anatomy, cardiology, and pharmacology.
I am not saying that the training is identical, but quit making it out as if they are going to some hokey online college to get a fake degree.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:17 pm to LATigerdoc
You gotta see the whole picture to know what you know and what you don't. Trying to be a physician (comprehensive care-taker of a human's pathologic disease states) without medical school is the equivalent of European explorers before the West got mapped out.
You gotta see it all so you know what you know and you know somebody who knows the part you're not the expert at to refer to.
You gotta see it all so you know what you know and you know somebody who knows the part you're not the expert at to refer to.
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:21 pm to Bmath
re: Optometry: LA HB 1065/SB 568: What if your Louisiana Eye Surgeon is not an MD? (Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:07 pm to medtiger)
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It's really not bitching
Then why not answer my question?
Why not advocate that they get the proper training to do the more basic procedures? If they got into professional school then they are not retarded. The only real difference is the residency process. I'd actually argue that optometrists get more formal focused training on the eyes prior to the residency.
The only reason why I cared about this thread is because my brother is in optometry school.
He readily admits that he will never get the proper training to perform much more complicated surgeries. However, he is planning on practicing in New Hampshire where he will have the opportunity to do more.
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They are welcome to get the proper training! And could even be under the LSBME like everyone else- But don't forcefully legislate it through because you have strong allies in the Senate---That is where you lose your advocates
quote:
It's really not bitching
Then why not answer my question?
Why not advocate that they get the proper training to do the more basic procedures? If they got into professional school then they are not retarded. The only real difference is the residency process. I'd actually argue that optometrists get more formal focused training on the eyes prior to the residency.
The only reason why I cared about this thread is because my brother is in optometry school.
He readily admits that he will never get the proper training to perform much more complicated surgeries. However, he is planning on practicing in New Hampshire where he will have the opportunity to do more.
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They are welcome to get the proper training! And could even be under the LSBME like everyone else- But don't forcefully legislate it through because you have strong allies in the Senate---That is where you lose your advocates
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 11:26 pm
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:23 pm to Bmath
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This is my only real point. I understand that there are other differences. However, I think you might be surprised to see what they actually learn in optometry school. They also take neuro anatomy, cardiology, and pharmacology.
I will agree with you that optometry school is a real degree. However, the classes you mentioned are not even close to those taken in medical school. Not even close.
There is absolutely no substitute for residency training. You eat, sleep, and live your specialty. I did this for 4 years (plus a year of internal medicine). The training in optometry school isn't in the same ballpark. Hell, it's not even the same sport!
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:24 pm to jamarkus
Why don't we amend the bill to let the Senators use lasers too?
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:25 pm to LATigerdoc
What about the fact that Louisiana has 3 med schools and 0 optometry schools? What's with this new-found hostility to our own education system?
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:26 pm to LATigerdoc
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You gotta see it all so you know what you know and you know somebody who knows the part you're not the expert at to refer to.
Then why have I described symptoms to multiple GP doctors for years, and have one allergist tell me within in seconds that it was something as simple as eczema?
This is why I argue that some practices already have a very focused training. Plus optometrists learn how to identify diseases such as diabetis by recognizing eye symptoms.
Give them the opportunity to get the resident training. They don't need to do major surgery, but there are some procedures that they can and have very safely perform.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:28 pm to Bmath
To go through the residency training application process, you have to be enrolled in medical school.. They could apply, but the lack of med school on the application would make that very difficult
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:28 pm to EYEDOCNO
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There is absolutely no substitute for residency training.
Then allow them to have this opportunity.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:29 pm to LATigerdoc
Thanks for talking down to me.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:30 pm to Bmath
You mean like have ODs and MDs apply to the same sets of ophthalmology residency training programs?
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:31 pm to LATigerdoc
I'm not, just confused how that would work
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:34 pm to Bmath
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Give them the opportunity to get the resident training. They don't need to do major surgery, but there are some procedures that they can and have very safely perform
I have absolutely NO problem with optometrists getting residency training.
All they have to do is
1- apply to medical school
2- get in medical school
3- go through 4 years of medical school
4- pass all three steps of the USMLE
5- apply to a very competitive ophthalmology residency program
6- get in the ophthalmology program
7- complete an internal medicine internship (which is NO fun, I might add) before starting said program
8- do three years of comprehensive ophthalmology training
If they are willing to those things, I am happy to let them do any procedure they wish.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:36 pm to LATigerdoc
Yes.
Look, this is completely anecdotal. My father, an MD, has been impressed with the level of training my brother had received in optometry school.
I realize that they have not gone to medical school, but you act as if they received nothing more than a certificate as an optometry technician.
My opinion is that there should be an expanded residency opportunity for them. That is all. They could still have the oversight of an ophthalmologist, but it would be a great way to expand their role properly.
Look, this is completely anecdotal. My father, an MD, has been impressed with the level of training my brother had received in optometry school.
I realize that they have not gone to medical school, but you act as if they received nothing more than a certificate as an optometry technician.
My opinion is that there should be an expanded residency opportunity for them. That is all. They could still have the oversight of an ophthalmologist, but it would be a great way to expand their role properly.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:42 pm to Bmath
I appreciate and respect that they learn a great deal. I can't see, however, that it would equate to medical school plus internship. I don't know how an ophthalmology residency would be do-able without the foundation of the first 5 years..?
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:47 pm to LATigerdoc
So why are nurse practitioners and PA's essentially taking the place of GPs? They didn't go to medical school.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:52 pm to Bmath
There are very few GPs in practice to my knowledge.
GP is a term for a med school grad plus 1 year of internship.
If you mean Primary Care Physicians, no one will ever take the place of them. They're still going to med school and doing residencies. Nobody's disappearing
Midlevels in non-eye-related fields is a whole other topic for another thread.
GP is a term for a med school grad plus 1 year of internship.
If you mean Primary Care Physicians, no one will ever take the place of them. They're still going to med school and doing residencies. Nobody's disappearing
Midlevels in non-eye-related fields is a whole other topic for another thread.
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 5/17/14 at 12:03 am to LATigerdoc
Right, but they can still fill a role of someone that went to medical school. I'm not talking about full board certification in a certain discipline, but why not allow optometrists to fill a certain role?
They are trained to do more than prescribe glasses, and most have the ability to do far beyond this. Why force them to go to more school? Why not allow them to at least receive residency training? If they are poorly trained, would they not simply wash out?
They are trained to do more than prescribe glasses, and most have the ability to do far beyond this. Why force them to go to more school? Why not allow them to at least receive residency training? If they are poorly trained, would they not simply wash out?
This post was edited on 5/17/14 at 12:05 am
Posted on 5/17/14 at 12:15 am to LATigerdoc
It's insanity.
This post was edited on 5/17/14 at 12:38 am
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