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re: NYT: The Little Engine That Could (Small Block V8 tribute)

Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:37 am to
Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
4828 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:37 am to
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It's a shame but I think we'll see an end to the American V8 in our lifetimes. It may not be possible to continue mass production of a compact, low costs V8 engine when modern cars are more often equipped with smaller displacement ICE's with the inevitable switch to electric motors.


After the thermonuclear / climate change / giant asteroid apocalypse (take your pick), when cockroaches rule the remnants of the earth, they will be driving around in leftover chevy 350-powered vehicles.
This post was edited on 10/4/20 at 2:04 pm
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
60627 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:46 am to
Small block Chevrolet engines are also popular for some home built aircraft.
Posted by Dawgwithnoname
NE Louisiana
Member since Dec 2019
4278 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 12:34 pm to
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There are massive torque benefits to electric motors, plus the ability to store energy when slowing down


Nobody's disputing that, but with the current energy delivery methods. They're not practical or affordable.

When they develop a fuel cell that doesn't require recharging, it may be the end of the combustion engine, but they're not there yet and won't be for a while.
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
35243 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 1:18 pm to
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If one still wants to argue a 351C is a big block you can just go to the source:


Well, no. You just educated me. I’ve been a Mustang guy since I was 14, and I’ve “heard” that 351C = big block many times. Thanks for the knowledge.

ETA: ok, can you tell me about the Coyote engines? What do they do to a 302 that’ll make it more powerful than a 427?
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 1:25 pm
Posted by browl
North of BR
Member since Nov 2017
1571 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 1:57 pm to
The smallblock chevy engine is quintessential. It replaced the flathead ford as the go to hotrodder's powerplant. It will have a place in the history of automobilia forever. They have been shoehorned into anything that rolls, floats, flies, etc.

The newer injected & computerized bowtie mills are still considered chevy smallblocks. And if you didn't know, the smallblock chevy wore fuel injection 30+ years before fuel injection was a thing.

The forged bottom end 283's mated to muncie 4 speeds and 8000 rpm clutch dump wheelie launches on the quarter mile. The camel hump headed 327. The off road cammed DZ302. The 400 smallblock, the "high nickel" 4 bolt main 350, the 383 stroker.

Computers are cool and everything, but I'd rather tune my engine with a tach, a vacuum gauge, a timing light, a screwdriver & wrench, and some itty bitty weights and springs. That's not to say there is anything wrong with a boosted "LS", just my taste.

And yes, mustangs are faster when they're built ford tough with all chevy stuff.
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 2:04 pm
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49085 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:03 pm to
quote:

It's a shame but I think we'll see an end to the American V8 in our lifetimes.

V12
Posted by Pfft
Member since Jul 2014
4575 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 4:16 pm to
New big block Ford coming out in the new Ford Superduty trucks is going to be an awesome engine to develop high horsepower. You will start to see it soon in race cars as the trucks get wrecked.
Posted by biohzrd
Central City
Member since Jan 2010
5741 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 5:09 pm to
I was always a fan of the 429Boss. Great heads on a newer designed block over the older fe engines.

I laugh at all the people that call out others for out LS engines in ford cars. The LS has more in common with the original engine that came out then any 4.6, 5.3, or coyote engine.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
28409 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 5:51 pm to
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Cool, what happens when the battery hits end of life and has to be disposed of?

You are generating pollution on the front end and back end of the products lifespan to minimize slightly carbon burn during use.

From an environmental standpoint it’s still a losing proposition.



Again, you are looking at a very immature industry. Recycling of the batteries and material recovery is just now coming online in a pretty small way. Currently, the number of batteries that have reached end of life is fairly small. As those increase, the industry to recycle them will build and mature. The environmental costs of recycling lithium and cobalt for example are far less than the initial recovery and refining. When the scale is large enough and the cost to recycle drops at or below the cost to mine/refine then that industry will bloom and again it has lower ecological costs than recovery from the earth.

The other positive about the recycling of car batteries is that it is a fairly closed loop. People throw tons of lithium batteries away every year instead of recycling them. With car batteries it is FAR more likely to not end up in a landfill like millions of button cells, laptop batteries and etc.

In the end, my primary concern is not ecological it is performance based since I am a dyed in the wool car guy. Electric cars simply have better performance envelope potential than ICE based cars. That being said comparing a burgeoning industry on ecological impacts to one that has been maturing for over a century is pure folly.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11762 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 8:01 pm to
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Nobody's disputing that, but with the current energy delivery methods. They're not practical or affordable.

When they develop a fuel cell that doesn't require recharging, it may be the end of the combustion engine, but they're not there yet and won't be for a while.

Which is why my entire post was about hybrids, not pure EV’s. With a hybrid you don’t need nearly as much battery capacity and you don’t need the charging/electrical distribution infrastructure. Again, you get the performance of an electric vehicle without nearly the headache.

As an added bonus, you have better fuel economy and lower emissions - since the combustion engine is just charging the battery, it can run at a relatively constant load/speed. That means a smaller engine designed to run close to peak efficiency at all times.

Hence the disadvantage for long distance towing: a hybrid pickup truck manufacturer would need to decide how to size the combustion engine. If you size it for normal driving, you run into range issues when towing. But if you size it for towing, you lose fuel efficiency during normal driving. Even this can probably be overcome with today’s “active fuel economy” systems, though.

Again, I really do think there will be a huge increase in the number of hybrid vehicles on the road in the not-so-distant future. There are just too many infrastructure issues to overcome before pure-EV’s can become the norm, despite the economies of scale you get with centralized power generation.

Since there is a performance advantage over conventional vehicles, while maintaining the convenience of refueling at a gas station, I think this will be a win for consumers.
Posted by Bullfrog
Running Through the Wet Grass
Member since Jul 2010
58980 posts
Posted on 9/15/20 at 8:19 pm to
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Cool, what happens when the battery hits end of life and has to be disposed of?
Who knows? These car batteries are good for a million miles.
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