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re: NDE Near Death Experience
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:21 am to Kentucker
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:21 am to Kentucker
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You were near death, but still alive. You had a near death experience, which can have strong psychological effects.
That condition is called clinical death. If it lasts long enough, it can lead to biological death. Death is often a process occurring over a timeframe and more often with todays medical technology, can sometimes be reversed.
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:25 am to derp
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Last year my SIL died from Covid, she was early 40s,
day nine of induced coma, subconsciously slipped the q-tip gloves and de-ventilated myself.
the dream sequence before and after the event was surreal. (wall of text)
I made a choice. prayer is real.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:31 am to derp
funeral home called - for possible client - Drs. said very soon - at this time drugged up - something or someone gave me option go or stay - since i'm typing opted to stay - next day all lab results questioned - drs said no way you are still with us --- exit stage left
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:31 am to Tigers2010a
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That condition is called clinical death. If it lasts long enough, it can lead to biological death. Death is often a process occurring over a timeframe and more often with todays medical technology, can sometimes be reversed.
So what happened to me in 2016 is best categorized as “clinical death”? As in, for however long it lasted, I was clinically dead?
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:36 am to Darth_Vader
Webster defines death as the permanent stopping of vitals. I think the key word here is permanent.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:36 am to derp
OP asking about NDE and people just posting about some time in their life when they did something stupid and almost got themselves killed. 
Also, what do Buddhists, Muslims, etc. see when they have NDEs?
Also, what do Buddhists, Muslims, etc. see when they have NDEs?
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:40 am to roobedoo
Well, it turns out there are stages or degrees of death.
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In summary, no heartbeat + no breathing + no brain activity = clinical death, but it does not necessarily spell Death. Clinical death is treated as a medical emergency, with CPR and the like following. Only when a physician calls off the efforts and throws in the towel can brain or biological death, eventually followed by legal death, be declared. In the U.S., this marks the removal of “personhood” from the deceased’s body.
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:44 am to Tigers2010a
Okay. It’s semantics. The difference between clinical death and biological death:
Clinical Death is when your heart stops pumping blood. Without CPR, Biological Death begins to set in about 4-6 minutes later. Biological Death is where the victim's brain is damaged and cells in the victim's heart, brain and other organs die from a lack of oxygen. The damage caused by Biological Death is irreversible.
No one has ever been revived after biological death.
ETA: I don’t see a difference between Clinical Death and Near Death Experience.
Clinical Death is when your heart stops pumping blood. Without CPR, Biological Death begins to set in about 4-6 minutes later. Biological Death is where the victim's brain is damaged and cells in the victim's heart, brain and other organs die from a lack of oxygen. The damage caused by Biological Death is irreversible.
No one has ever been revived after biological death.
ETA: I don’t see a difference between Clinical Death and Near Death Experience.
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 11:46 am
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:44 am to derp
In July of 1997 I had an angioplasty which is no big deal. It was back when they did the procedure through the femoral artery. I had to have a 50 pound sand bag on my upper thigh and was very uncomfortable. The nurse said that she'd give me morphine and I told her not to because I would projectile vomit on her (and I had just been fed some chocolate pudding). Anyway, I didn't see her push the plunger, but I did my best "Exorcist" impression and puked all over her.
Later that evening I was feeling somewhat faint. Everything started to go black. I could hear the machines I was hooked up to beeping and ringing. I could hear people running into my room. I felt the bed going backwards. I thought to myself, "I could be dying." My Catholic upbringing kicked in and I said to myself, "I should make an Act of Contrition". I remember beginning it, "Oh my God I am heartily sorry . . .". do not know how far I got when all of a sudden my eyes opened and I was awake. I was in the Trendelenberg position with my feet well above my head and I was naked as a jaybird. A nurse took my hand and said, "You coded, welcome back".
I have to say that I did not see any bright light but I also didn't see any of those black shadowy guys from "Ghost". I believe in a spiritual life after death - it just wasn't my time.
It was the beginning of a summer that had me in the Washington Hospital Center on three occasions; in the Georgetown Medical Center for about 5 days; and followed by the Lombardi Cancer Clinic at Georgetown for about 6 months. I am one of two people in the world that survived an allergic reaction to a drug which shut down my immune system without having to undergo a bone marrow transplant (which the doctors told me I probably would not survive). I am truly a lucky/blessed person and I am very grateful for surviving that summer.
Later that evening I was feeling somewhat faint. Everything started to go black. I could hear the machines I was hooked up to beeping and ringing. I could hear people running into my room. I felt the bed going backwards. I thought to myself, "I could be dying." My Catholic upbringing kicked in and I said to myself, "I should make an Act of Contrition". I remember beginning it, "Oh my God I am heartily sorry . . .". do not know how far I got when all of a sudden my eyes opened and I was awake. I was in the Trendelenberg position with my feet well above my head and I was naked as a jaybird. A nurse took my hand and said, "You coded, welcome back".
I have to say that I did not see any bright light but I also didn't see any of those black shadowy guys from "Ghost". I believe in a spiritual life after death - it just wasn't my time.
It was the beginning of a summer that had me in the Washington Hospital Center on three occasions; in the Georgetown Medical Center for about 5 days; and followed by the Lombardi Cancer Clinic at Georgetown for about 6 months. I am one of two people in the world that survived an allergic reaction to a drug which shut down my immune system without having to undergo a bone marrow transplant (which the doctors told me I probably would not survive). I am truly a lucky/blessed person and I am very grateful for surviving that summer.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:47 am to Kentucker
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Biological Death begins to set in about 4-6 minutes later.
I’m sure it does. But that doesn’t mean someone who is clinically dead for 4-6 minutes cannot be resuscitated. I don’t know how long I was in this state, but I do know it was longer than 4-6 minutes. I think what made the difference was when I coded, there was a team of doctors and nurses actually in the room already working to keep me alive.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:51 am to Kentucker
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ETA: I don’t see a difference between Clinical Death and Near Death Experience.
Clinical death is an a trial medical term. That’s the difference.
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Clinical death is the medical term for cessation of blood circulation and breathing, the two criteria necessary to sustain the lives of human beings and of many other organisms.[1] It occurs when the heart stops beating in a regular rhythm, a condition called cardiac arrest. The term is also sometimes used in resuscitation research.
Stopped blood circulation has historically proven irreversible in most cases. Prior to the invention of cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR), defibrillation, epinephrine injection, and other treatments in the 20th century, the absence of blood circulation (and vital functions related to blood circulation) was historically considered the official definition of death. With the advent of these strategies, cardiac arrest came to be called clinical death rather than simply death, to reflect the possibility of post-arrest resuscitation.
At the onset of clinical death, consciousness is lost within several seconds, and in dogs, measurable brain activity has been measured to stop within 20 to 40 seconds.[2] Irregular gasping may occur during this early time period, and is sometimes mistaken by rescuers as a sign that CPR is not necessary.[3] During clinical death, all tissues and organs in the body steadily accumulate a type of injury called ischemic injury.
And it can be reversed for up to 30 minutes…
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Most tissues and organs of the body can survive clinical death for considerable periods. Blood circulation can be stopped in the entire body below the heart for at least 30 minutes, with injury to the spinal cord being a limiting factor
Medical science is pretty amazing
Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:01 pm to derp
If you read a lot of NDE's, you should check out trip reports by people on Erowid or maybe other similar places. You will find that certain chemicals taken in large enough quantities will get the user to experience these similar realities, though with drugs you have much less control if any at all. You can also look into meditation and astral projection. There are commonalities through all 3 of these different areas and shows we are all connected. Another method is trying to do lucid dreaming. There is much more to reality than what we can see and touch.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:03 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:Correct.
So what happened to me in 2016 is best categorized as “clinical death”?
quote:In cold conditions, it can be considerably longer.
And it can be reversed for up to 30 minutes…
It is clear from NDEs that the soul/spirit can detach from the body during the clinical death phase. And can re-attach if the body is revived.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:08 pm to Tigers2010a
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So what happened to me in 2016 is best categorized as “clinical death”?
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Correct
Well, we’ve finally settled a debate that’s raged on the OT for six years. Glad that’s settled.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:16 pm to derp
This post was edited on 12/31/22 at 12:50 am
Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:19 pm to Kraut Dawg
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I was five yrs old in the hospital after a terrible accident. All I recall is lying in my bed, looking to the right & seeing the bed rail. Past the rail was a gold step & then a bunch of light.
That is classic NDE. You should be able to get free beers for life at your local bar just off that experience.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:37 pm to Kraut Dawg
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I was five yrs old in the hospital after a terrible accident. All I recall is lying in my bed, looking to the right & seeing the bed rail. Past the rail was a gold step & then a bunch of light. That's it. My parents have never been able to speak of my situation, and when I've brought this up, all I've been told is that I spent two weeks high on morphine.
My experience is still blank to me. From my perspective, one minute it is early evening and I’m telling the nurses I want to stay in my recliner instead of getting in the bed. The next thing I remember is it’s something like 1:00 AM and I’m waking up in my bed with a tube down my throat.
From what my wife told me, she was in the room until I flat lined, they did get me in the bed and that’s when I went from being in bad shape to crashing. My veins stated collapsing so they were trying to get my IV’s going again. She said this went on for a while. All the time I’m begging them to help me breathe. At one point they have me setting up in the bed trying to get the IV in my neck back to going. I looked over at her, said “I’m sorry” and fell back. My heart monitor went flat line and started going off. The nurses and doctors start trying to resuscitate me. One nurse shuffles my wife out to the hallway. According to my wife, a moment later my heart surgeon comes out and tells her “we don’t know what’s going on but he’s suffered something catastrophic. We’re taking him to surgery”. At that point they’re wheeling me out of the room at a full run heading to surgery. She didn’t know anything until later when the surgeon came to tell her they’d revived and stabilized me. While I was gone, my wife called her mom in hysterics. Her mom called the rest of the family to the hospital because they thought I wasn’t going to make it through the night. She said when my son (he was days from turning 15) got there he fell apart, just lost it. It was a lot harder on them than me. I still live with the physical consequences of that night. My organs took a lot of damage. But my wife and kids, especially my son, have had to deal with the emotional aspect of it. They are still super protective and at times try to treat me like the boy in the bubble.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 12:50 pm to derp
Mine’s kinda “boring,” but I’ll try anyway:
Was headed southbound and down U.S. 61 just the other side of Natchez, traveling up a hill at I’m sure not the ideal speed for safety and in the left lane) when I notice a fella on the left shoulder at the peak of the hill making some sort of hand motions. I was all like “what’s this foo doing, little mama” as I call my old lady. Before I could get the full question out my lips as I goosed it up that hill, it suddenly became apparent that the hand motions guy was desperately trying to get me to immediately switch lane because just barely on the other side of the hill was a broke down dually work truck (weighted down even further with all kinds of tool boxes and equipment) right in my lane of travel.
Literally with only a second or two to process and act, I was able to swerve to the right, very narrowly avoiding a horrific crash. With my fam in tow as well. I actually started crying because of the weight of the moment. Which crying’s for wusses, so I don’t do it very often. (I kid)
Was headed southbound and down U.S. 61 just the other side of Natchez, traveling up a hill at I’m sure not the ideal speed for safety and in the left lane) when I notice a fella on the left shoulder at the peak of the hill making some sort of hand motions. I was all like “what’s this foo doing, little mama” as I call my old lady. Before I could get the full question out my lips as I goosed it up that hill, it suddenly became apparent that the hand motions guy was desperately trying to get me to immediately switch lane because just barely on the other side of the hill was a broke down dually work truck (weighted down even further with all kinds of tool boxes and equipment) right in my lane of travel.
Literally with only a second or two to process and act, I was able to swerve to the right, very narrowly avoiding a horrific crash. With my fam in tow as well. I actually started crying because of the weight of the moment. Which crying’s for wusses, so I don’t do it very often. (I kid)
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:34 pm to derp
I don't necessarily agree with the anti-catholic tone overall to this.
But this lady had a NDE
The overall point is people giving accurate descriptions of surroundings when they were dead floating above their body.
I have had a brief experience with this after waking up after surgery. Before I woke up I could see the nurse sitting watching me.
I also remember clearly things you usually don't after surgery.
It is very interesting. I have been with someone that died and was blind because of a stroke; and looked around immediately before death and smiled with light almost-pure-joy saying, 'look at all the angels.' and she died.
She wasn't on hospice meds or morphine.
NDE is a very interesting subject.
But this lady had a NDE
The overall point is people giving accurate descriptions of surroundings when they were dead floating above their body.
I have had a brief experience with this after waking up after surgery. Before I woke up I could see the nurse sitting watching me.
I also remember clearly things you usually don't after surgery.
It is very interesting. I have been with someone that died and was blind because of a stroke; and looked around immediately before death and smiled with light almost-pure-joy saying, 'look at all the angels.' and she died.
She wasn't on hospice meds or morphine.
NDE is a very interesting subject.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:42 pm to notbilly
quote:Looking at newer vehicles I notice the side & top airbags. I always wondered which vehicle had the best survival rate statistics.
I was in a head on collision several years ago. The other driver swerved into me and the only thing that went through my mind was in that insanely brief moment was “frick. This is it.” I walked away thanks to the modern safety features in vehicles. But for less than a split second, I ‘knew’ I was gone. Had that accident happened 20 years before, I don’t think I’d have survived. I spent a lot of time watching crash test videos afterwards and thankfully my truck crumpled exactly like it was supposed to. I watched other manufacturers crash videos and I’d probably have at least lost a leg or had a major head injury if I had another make truck. I made it out with minor injuries but I’ve spent some time pondering how my life would have a changed by the slimmest change in the variables of that wreck
Are front airbags eliminated or still there?
I have heard Volvo's, Suburu's possibly have the best survival rates. Is this still accurate?
I also notice the features in SUV's of a expensive luxury vehicle versus a let's say... Loaded Nissan Pathfinder. The Pathfinder was matched or much better for far less money.
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