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re: Morganza Spillway may or may not open for a 3rd time -- lack of clear info from ACoE

Posted on 5/23/19 at 3:10 pm to
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 3:10 pm to
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Could the Atchafalaya basin handle the load if it were to become the new Mississippi?



frick no. It would completely wipe out all the towns along the AR
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90090 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 3:14 pm to
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The existence of Morgan City as a viable economic entity versus the existence of everything south of Morganza on the Mississippi River as one, should not be that difficult a proposition. I'm not saying this as someone with any particular animus to Morgan City either.


Sending more water down the Atchafalaya for good would ultimately become a boom for places like Morgan City, particularly if it was done phases.

Practically that will never happen. Abandoning New Orleans simply won't happen.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 3:15 pm to
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Could the Atchafalaya basin handle the load if it were to become the new Mississippi?



Rumor is that pipelines, roads, and bridges couldnt handle it
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58003 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 3:18 pm to
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They want 70% royalties if you keep what you dredge up. Use to be some people locally that rand dredges for years here and would get several barges a day in gravel until they were told it would cost the 70% in royalties. They shut the operation down after that

the stupidity of the corp with reguard to that is amazing. I mean there are places that would pay to have material brought in and the corp makes it hard for them to do it when it would be a benefit for both parties. Corp should give them a discount taking some of this material and dispersing it elsewhere.
Posted by thedrumdoctor
Gonzales,La
Member since Sep 2016
893 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 3:19 pm to
yeah, here's an interesting article that I found. It brings up an interesting point should the river divert itself into the Atchafalaya. All of the chemical plants long the river that depend on it for importing/exporting product would be fricked. Advocate Article
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58003 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 3:21 pm to
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Could the Atchafalaya basin handle the load if it were to become the new Mississippi?


it could....but some major area humans have inhabited probably wouldnt make it.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36287 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 3:23 pm to
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it could....but some major area humans have inhabited probably wouldnt make it.




So no, it couldn’t
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58003 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 3:25 pm to
you really want to argue dont you?
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36287 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 3:27 pm to
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you really want to argue dont you?





Just saying, if you disqualify homes and places of business, technically anywhere on earth could handle the Mississippi
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90090 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 3:35 pm to
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Morgan city went completely under in the 73 flood.


Not at all. Backwater flooding was an issue, but the city proper was still protected by the levees.



If you were outside of the levees, yeah, it sucked.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 3:40 pm to
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Morgan city went completely under in the 73 flood.


no it didn’t
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36287 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 3:43 pm to
Yeah but it was a busted levee from being fricked. Fishing would be great with all the structure tho
This post was edited on 5/23/19 at 3:45 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90090 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 4:02 pm to
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I don't know that officially but I assume it's operating at max capacity. Why would it not be with the river so high?


It's not far from it. Atchafalaya at Simmesport is roughly 86% of its discharge peak in 2011.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90090 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 4:04 pm to
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Yeah but it was a busted levee from being fricked. Fishing would be great with all the structure tho


It's pretty incredible to me the city is supposedly protected to 21 feet, despite the river never getting over 11 feet in recorded history.

Morgan City and Berwick are actually well prepared for things like this. The surrounding areas? Not so much.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36287 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 4:09 pm to
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Morgan City and Berwick are actually well prepared for things like this. The surrounding areas? Not so much.




I dunno. Guess it depends on the thickness and depth of the sheet piling they have. When you pass over 90 and see the water already lapping up against those sheets it doesn’t give you a warm feeling

The water was right under the train bridge when I passed yesterday
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90090 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 4:15 pm to
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I dunno. Guess it depends on the thickness and depth of the sheet piling they have. When you pass over 90 and see the water already lapping up against those sheets it doesn’t give you a warm feeling The water was right under the train bridge when I passed yesterday


The train bridge would be gone in a flood higher than 1973.

Having water around you that is 8 feet higher than your road elevations is terrifying, sure, but it supposedly would stay dry up to 21 feet.

quote:

20 There is a catastrophic flood threat. Evacuation of the cities of Berwick and Morgan City is strongly recommended. Flood walls protect the cities to an elevation of 21 feet.

12 There is a major flood threat. Back water flooding of Bayou Bouef will cause damage east of Morgan City to the community of Amelia. Structures on the river side of protection walls in Morgan City and Berwick will be under water. River traffic restrictions will be strictly enforced.

Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36287 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 4:17 pm to
I haven’t looked at the peak flow of the Snatch River, but I would say there’s maybe 10 feet before the water is over the tracks of the bridge

Probably less
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
45792 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 4:18 pm to
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Snatch River

I'd like to go swimming in that river.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
45792 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 4:20 pm to
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20 There is a catastrophic flood threat. Evacuation of the cities of Berwick and Morgan City is strongly recommended. Flood walls protect the cities to an elevation of 21 feet.

12 There is a major flood threat. Back water flooding of Bayou Bouef will cause damage east of Morgan City to the community of Amelia. Structures on the river side of protection walls in Morgan City and Berwick will be under water. River traffic restrictions will be strictly enforced.


Looking at the Atchafalaya River @ Morgan City, the record is only 10.5'. What are you talking about in your post? I am apparently looking at the wrong one.
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36408 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 4:24 pm to
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It's pretty incredible to me the city is supposedly protected to 21 feet, despite the river never getting over 11 feet in recorded history


I'd bet it is more about storm surge protection than the river. Might not be on the gulf exactly, but isn't exactly high ground between them and the gulf and water pushing up the river wouldn't be ideal.
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