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re: Morganza Spillway may or may not open for a 3rd time -- lack of clear info from ACoE
Posted on 6/7/19 at 2:02 am to FelicianaTigerfan
Posted on 6/7/19 at 2:02 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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Nobody gives a frick because that was 8 years ago. shite has been fixed. Studies done. Either way, Morganza isn’t gonna open because people have irrational fears that disaste is dooming
You sound like you’re in the know
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Posted on 6/7/19 at 2:54 am to TOKEN
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 6/7/19 at 4:17 am to The Baker
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Nothing has been fixed at low sill. They cant operate half the bays bc the gates are stuck closed
Link
Posted on 6/7/19 at 5:08 am to The Baker
The amount of trolling/unconfirmed info/rumors starting in the last 6-10 pages is staggering. If someone has info then please post a link going forward.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 5:30 am to TDsngumbo
https://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/Missions/Engineering/Stage-and-Hydrologic-Data/
This post was edited on 6/7/19 at 5:34 am
Posted on 6/7/19 at 6:12 am to The Baker
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Nothing has been fixed at low sill. They cant operate half the bays bc the gates are stuck closed.
If true, that does explain some of the issues.
But, I was going to say that if the flow rates and height are close enough, they might be enough capacity at the Old River Control Structure to divert enough water as to not open the Morganza spillway.
I think they go through this song and dance every year to say we are still here and we just may have to open it one day again.
I found this PBS documentary on Mississippi River flood control. It maybe old, but it does explain a lot and shows what happened in 1973.
Link A Tale of 2 Rivers Part 1
LINK YouTube A Tale of 2 Rivers Part 2
Posted on 6/7/19 at 12:09 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Do those forecast take into consideration of opening spillways before they are open?
I know New Orleans does because of Bonnet Carre. For Morganza I have no idea, but I would guess so.
I am sure the ACoE uses models to predict and make forecasts for their use, but the 28 day forecast is made NOAA and the NWS. All of these are government agencies and are not very good at communicating with each other. So I am going to go out on a limb and say that the 28 day forecast that has the river cresting at 62.2 ft at RRL does not take into consideration opening of the Morganza.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 3:29 pm to TOKEN
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 6/7/19 at 3:39 pm to WeeWee
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I am sure the ACoE uses models to predict and make forecasts for their use, but the 28 day forecast is made NOAA and the NWS. All of these are government agencies and are not very good at communicating with each other. So I am going to go out on a limb and say that the 28 day forecast that has the river cresting at 62.2 ft at RRL does not take into consideration opening of the Morganza.
It's absolutely concerning that it appears that the Corps and the NWS/NOAA are using conflicting information for decision making.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 3:45 pm to MrLSU
I can’t watch if past 3 mins bc that female is quite possibly the most annoying looking and sounding person I’ve ever come across.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 4:01 pm to p&g
Initial Stage
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Posted on 6/7/19 at 4:13 pm to LSUFanHouston
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It's absolutely concerning that it appears that the Corps and the NWS/NOAA are using conflicting information for decision making.
Col. Michael Clancy clearly states in this interview from this morning that the Corps uses forecast from the NWS for to determine whether or not to open Morganza. (Around the 2:35 mark)
Col. Clancy interview
Posted on 6/7/19 at 4:24 pm to Tarps99
Tarps
You should read "Rising Tide: The Great Flood of 1927 and how it changed America"....written by John M. Barry
A little lengthy but a really good read.
You should read "Rising Tide: The Great Flood of 1927 and how it changed America"....written by John M. Barry
A little lengthy but a really good read.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 4:27 pm to BigBrod81
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Col. Michael Clancy clearly states in this interview from this morning that the Corps uses forecast from the NWS for to determine whether or not to open Morganza. (Around the 2:35 mark)
So heres two basic questions:
1)Does USACE foresee Morganza facing 60' flood waters?
2)If they do face 60'+ flood waters will it trigger an opening? Or will ORCS try to handle the overflow?
As it stands now it seems that Morganza will see +/-62' and USACE says they will not open Morganza (contrary to standing SOP). A little transparency would do a lot to dispel rumors and gossip.
This post was edited on 6/7/19 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 6/7/19 at 4:29 pm to NYNolaguy1
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So heres two basic questions:
1)Does USACE foresee Morganza facing 60' flood waters?
2)If they do face 60'+ flood waters will it trigger an opening? Or will ORCS try to handle the overflow?
As it stands now it seems that Morganza will see +/-62' and USACE says they will not open Morganza (contrary to standing SOP). A little transparency would do a lot to dispel rumors and gossip.
Do we actually know what the height is at Morganza right now?
I thought Red River Landing was basically the same, and that's already north of 60 feet.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 4:32 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Do we actually know what the height is at Morganza right now?
I thought Red River Landing was basically the same, and that's already north of 60 feet.
That's what I am getting at. I mean they are so close together I have always assumed they were basically the same.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 4:44 pm to NYNolaguy1
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That's what I am getting at. I mean they are so close together I have always assumed they were basically the same.
Well, the decision to open Bonnet-Carre is based upon the Carrollton Gage, which is a considerable distance away from spillway... further I believe than the distance between Red River Landing and Morganza.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 5:39 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Do we actually know what the height is at Morganza right now?
Negative. I can only find the heights for the river just north of Morganza at RRL & ORCS.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 5:49 pm to BigBrod81
Here's more reading material for this thread. It's a 3 part series article:
America's Achilles' Heel: the Mississippi River's Old River Control Structure
Escalating Floods Putting Mississippi River’s Old River Control Structure at Risk
If the Old River Control Structure Fails: A Catastrophe With Global Impact
America's Achilles' Heel: the Mississippi River's Old River Control Structure
Escalating Floods Putting Mississippi River’s Old River Control Structure at Risk
If the Old River Control Structure Fails: A Catastrophe With Global Impact
Posted on 6/7/19 at 6:18 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I am sure the ACoE uses models to predict and make forecasts for their use, but the 28 day forecast is made NOAA and the NWS. All of these are government agencies and are not very good at communicating with each other. So I am going to go out on a limb and say that the 28 day forecast that has the river cresting at 62.2 ft at RRL does not take into consideration opening of the Morganza.
It's absolutely concerning that it appears that the Corps and the NWS/NOAA are using conflicting information for decision making.
Don't worry. When has a government agency ever messed? There are 3 of them involved. What could possibly go wrong?
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