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re: Monthly JFK thread - Carlos Marcello
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:21 am to Jim Rockford
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:21 am to Jim Rockford
The Ruby angle makes no sense to me. We know that Oswald was supposed to be transferred about 45-60 minutes earlier than he finally got moved. There are bank receipts of Ruby picking up money at the time that Oswald was supposed to be transferred. I truly believe that he just happened to be walking by when he saw all the reporters waiting so he moseyed over to watch. The only other option there is that he had tips coming from inside the Dallas PD. The more people that are involved, the more likely we would have heard evidence by now.
However, like the good post from above about Oswald, that dude went to Russia and back in the middle of the Cold War, spent time in New Orleans, had odd political connections... all of for a nobody with an 8th grade education. It doesn't add up.
However, like the good post from above about Oswald, that dude went to Russia and back in the middle of the Cold War, spent time in New Orleans, had odd political connections... all of for a nobody with an 8th grade education. It doesn't add up.
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:25 am to Choupique19
There shouldn't be no grand mystery to all of this. It Should be out by now....release it!
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:31 am to Choupique19
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However, like the good post from above about Oswald, that dude went to Russia and back in the middle of the Cold War, spent time in New Orleans, had odd political connections... all of for a nobody with an 8th grade education. It doesn't add up.
The movie JFK was a mess, but it did get the Camp Street office issue right. So on top of all the other things we know about Oswald getting a free pass back out of Russia after going AWOL from the Marines and making a spectacle out of offering radar "secrets" for Russian citizenship, how plausible is it that the "office" of the New Orleans Fair Play for Cuba Committee (of which Oswald was the ONLY MEMBER) was in the same small building as Guy Bannister, former FBI agent, former NOPD superintendent, known CIA associate, and virulent and violent anti-communist reactionary, unless the Fair Play for Cuba Committee was just a cat's paw being run by Bannister? The arch anti-communist of New Orleans just happens to be rubbing shoulders in a small office building with a pro-Casto communist group, by coincidence? Not bloody likely.
I think it's a leap of faith to believe that Oswald WASN'T sent to Russia in order to build-up his communist bona fides so that he could later be run by guys like Bannister stateside to conduct infiltration operations of communist groups or COINTELPRO ops like the Fair Play for Cuba Committee.
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 10:38 am
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:41 am to Choupique19
As for Ruby, I would imagine maybe Oswald wasn't supposed to be caught and something got fouled up in extracting him from Dallas. Once he killed the Dallas cop and was arrested, he had to be put down. And if that's the case, I would imagine there was a backup plan had Ruby not come through.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:44 am to Cooter Davenport
Oswald wasn't the only person passing out Fair Play for Cuba fliers. They all even dressed alike. I wonder who the others were.
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:45 am to Cooter Davenport
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He was either obsessed with Jackie and acted impulsively out of vengeance on her behalf at the spur of the moment, or he owed the mob and killed Oswald to silence Oswald and pay off his own (Ruby's) debts, in whatever form they may have existed, to the mob. Ruby had terminal cancer. Take that into consideration.
Good stuff. In the back of my mind I'm always playing the mob angle. That is, Ruby killed Oswald to silence him from exposing anyone in the mob. To me that makes the most sense, but, he could have been just stone cold crazy and did it for revenge. His mob "connections" are what drives my questions.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:45 am to LSU Wayne
I think it is interesting that people think that Ruby getting there late is a reason to believe his actions were impulsive or spur of the moment. For me, the fact that they didn't discharge LHO until Ruby was around cuts the other way. That's awfully suspicious that they happen to delay moving him until the crazy, impulsive guy happens to be around to shoot him.
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 10:47 am
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:47 am to LSU Wayne
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As for Ruby, I would imagine maybe Oswald wasn't supposed to be caught and something got fouled up in extracting him from Dallas. Once he killed the Dallas cop and was arrested, he had to be put down. And if that's the case, I would imagine there was a backup plan had Ruby not come through.
It's very easy to believe this scenario I think
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:57 am to NIH
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The most powerful bosses were always in NYC or Chicago. The rest answered to their call at the end of the day.
Marcello and Traffic answer didn't answer their call. They marched to their own drum.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:58 am to C-Bear
back in the 90s I talked to a lawyer in South Florida who was buddies with Frank Ciccolini aka Frank Sturges one of the hobos on the grassy knoll area... Sturges told him the shots were fired from the drains and the knoll by remington machine pistols and that french assassins were involved... all else was theatre/diversion...no one denied oswald wasnt shooting, he was in fact a shooter patsy...He didnt lie... He was used... Lucien Sarti was the French triggerman... Now this lawyer could have been lying to me (shady south florida mafia type) but he was buddies with Sturgis and was with him on his deathbed when he learned this info.. I dunno....
Posted on 6/2/16 at 11:03 am to LSU Wayne
There are several books I've read that discuss conflicting records of "Lee Harvey Oswald / LH Oswald / Lee H. Oswald / etc." being in multiple places at the same time in the months prior to the assassination. While they can't all be the same LHO, they all "fit the same physical description". And the most plausible explanation is that there was an effort to build a reputation for a Communist sympathizer or nutjob or whatever.
The most detailed description that I've seen has been "Mafia Kingfish". This book was mentioned earlier, and is a great read for anyone interested.
The most detailed description that I've seen has been "Mafia Kingfish". This book was mentioned earlier, and is a great read for anyone interested.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 11:04 am to PerCuriam
who runs things in New Orleans now?
Posted on 6/2/16 at 11:06 am to PerCuriam
There was a documentary that has been discussed in previous OT JFK threads that lays out this theory with tons of details. "The Men Who Killed Kennedy", I believe.
Not saying it is right or wrong, but just like most other books or documentaries it definitely puts together a very strong argument to support their theory (or agenda?)...
Not saying it is right or wrong, but just like most other books or documentaries it definitely puts together a very strong argument to support their theory (or agenda?)...
Posted on 6/2/16 at 11:30 am to SeasonOfSam
I havent seen it, I did see the history channel recreation with lasers etc proving oswald bullet killed kennedy... The entire question is a cottage industry around the Zapruder film.. Zapruder film is a diversion/altered etc.. so that lawyer told me...but yes, it was mafia, cia/mil ops from Operation 40..mafia arranged the french assassins...(poppy trade goons)
Posted on 6/2/16 at 11:32 am to DWaginHTown
you tell me, im no where near Louisana but Rousselle was the heir as I understood it during the 80s... not my bailiwick however.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:07 pm to Jim Smith
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I would imagine there was a backup plan had Ruby not come through.
That or Ruby WAS the backup plan because Tippit was supposed to take out Oswald (would have been MUCH cleaner for everyone involved), but Oswald shot him first.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:39 pm to 20legend
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I don't think that the rifle used by Oswald,a mannlicher carcano, had the velocity or ammo needed for a head to explode on impact.
It wasnt Oswald that made that shot. It was someone 15ft away from JFK. A high powered rifle at 15ft away could do that. The shot came from the front not the rear.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 12:51 pm to Jim Smith
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I'm always playing the mob angle. That is, Ruby killed Oswald to silence him from exposing anyone in the mob. To me that makes the most sense, but, he could have been just stone cold crazy and did it for revenge. His mob "connections" are what drives my questions.
Ruby was a Marcello guy, ran a bar or strip club in Dallas for him. Oswald had to be popped before he rolled on Carlos and the Chicago families (who you can believe green lighted the operation).
Read "Mr New Orleans", the guy that wrote it was himself sketcy but he lays out the Marcello/Oswald/Ruby connections very clearly.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 1:01 pm to Lakeboy7
I'm not convinced Ruby was involved in the conspiracy, but I love the deflection the anti-conspiracy authors use to waive him away: that Ruby wasn't "in" the mob. No, he wasn't. That's not how the mob works! He ran a seedy burlesque-type bar and was into the mob for protection and for girls. That's how that sort of thing works. He was associated with the mob because he ran a business they control. THEREFORE, there are innumerable things he owed them for and tons of contact he had with them. He need not have been actually IN the mafia, as many of these authors assume. I don't think anyone who understands these things has ever suggested that friggin Rubenstein was actually Cosa Nostra. More like their *****.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 1:03 pm to Lakeboy7
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"Mr New Orleans"
Also a very good read, and provides an interesting view point of Carlos and the NOLA / Louisiana underworld. He was an associate of Marcello and a cousin of Edwin Edwards... I can't help but think that it is considerably embellished, but it's definitely a good read and an interesting view...
The guy that wrote that book (Frenchy Brouillette) had pissed away all of his money, and was found murdered at the end of last year (Dec 5, 2015) on a park bench. Knife to the stomach.
Frenchy Brouillette Murder
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