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re: Michael Brown's mother can't handle the truth

Posted on 11/29/14 at 11:34 am to
Posted by sec13rowBBseat28
St George, LA
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 11/29/14 at 11:34 am to
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Nobody was being protected or served by him acting aggressively towards Brown.
The store clerk that was robbed and assaulted would probably disagree.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 11:41 am to
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Nobody was being protected or served by him acting aggressively towards Brown.


Could have sworn a crime was committed sometime before. Hmm


This type of shite in your argument makes you look like a fool. Just stop while you're not ahead
Posted by Tino
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Posted on 11/29/14 at 11:45 am to
StrongSafety is trolling, right ?

No way he is this stupid
Posted by yattan
Member since Nov 2013
897 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 11:53 am to
Those people are all just a POS.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:01 pm to
I don't think so. He's been at it for days
Posted by TheSexecutioner
Member since Mar 2011
5264 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:13 pm to
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Could have sworn a crime was committed sometime before. Hmm


This type of shite in your argument makes you look like a fool. Just stop while you're not ahead


So what? The crime gets uncommitted if he approaches him in an aggressive manner? His job is to apprehend him, not try to look badass doing it.
Posted by rintintin
Life is Life
Member since Nov 2008
16714 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:16 pm to
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StrongSafety is trolling, right ?

No way he is this stupid


He's a black man that sympathizes with Brown for some reason, even though he has admitted in other threads that Wilson probably did nothing wrong, this incident is a bad example of police brutality against blacks, and the race pimps shouldn't be parading this case.

He's admitted all of that, yet for some reason defends the actions of the Ferguson community over the last few days. It's truly remarkable. Like he's almost forced to pick that side, when all logic is telling him otherwise.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 12:17 pm
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:21 pm to
So what?

Nice response when someone calls out your stupid comment.

So now he was trying to look like a badass? You're just flinging shite against the wall hoping something sticks.

And just to entertain this billy badass approach you've put out there, would you approach the situation with a suspect much bigger than you in a shy and timid way or maybe something a little more commanding and assertive?
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
12300 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:23 pm to
Truth is irrelevant to the story they're trying to tell. They have a higher objective. You'd think such things would be harder to pull off in this age of mass communication, video cameras, record keeping, etc, but still there seems to be no shortage of willing believers.
Posted by rintintin
Life is Life
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:26 pm to
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So what? The crime gets uncommitted if he approaches him in an aggressive manner? His job is to apprehend him, not try to look badass doing it.



Does Brown get killed if he doesn't try to act like a punk thug? Stop putting Brown and Wilson on equal footing. One is the authority figure and one is a criminal.

There are certain do's and don'ts when approached by a police officer, no matter how big of a prick they are. Attacking the officer is number one on the don't list, which any moron should know.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 12:29 pm
Posted by TheSexecutioner
Member since Mar 2011
5264 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:26 pm to
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Instigated, as in apprehend the suspect?


I'm not a copper so I don't know if they should pull up close or not... I assume they want to be right there to stop folks from fleeing...


I'll ask again, are you some type of law enforcement official with training to say the way the popo pulled up on him was wrong or are you speculating with what you think he should have done with nothing on which to base your opinion?


No. Im not a cop. I have no training. But the cop knew that he had no taser and that this guy could manhandle him if he wanted to. Why even put yourself in that situation? Im not saying let him go. I just want somebody to give me a reason to pull up that close rather than a safe distance away where he can use his pepper spray, baton, locked door, call for backup, etc if things get physical.

He put himself in a situation where his only defense was a lethal one. That wasn't necessary. Michael Brown didn't grow a foot and 100 pounds midway through the altercation. Its not hard to assess a 300 pound man in a neighborhood who's members dislike the police force as a possible threat and show common sense to not put yourself in the most vulnerable position possible.

The problem, IMO, is this officer is emboldened by his gun and so doesn't call in backup and approaches a man in a manner that no sane unarmed person would.

And give me a break with this police training BS. Any person with a brain knows to be scared of getting physical with somebody 100 pounds heavier than them. There shouldn't be any shame in a police officer being afraid to confront a suspect 1 on 1 when he has backup available. Its not like I'm advocating he let him go on his way to beat up other store owners.

If you wanna be a badass who doesn't wait for backup, be a badass and handle the situation. But nothing badass about having to shoot somebody because you got manhandled. A great goal of an effective police force should be minimizing having to use lethal force period. Not just minimizing using lethal force when the suspect was being compliant and reasonable.
Posted by TheSexecutioner
Member since Mar 2011
5264 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:27 pm to
quote:

Does Brown get killed if he doesn't try to act like a punk thug? Stop putting Brown and Wilson on equal footing. One is the authority figure and one is a criminal.

There are certain do's and don'ts when approached by a police officer. Attacking the officer is number one on the don't list, which any moron should know.


It seems like you addressed that post to me despite me agreeing with all of those things. You must be confused.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:27 pm to
3 seconds between the second to last shot and the final bullet. Just because he wasn't indicted does not make the man innocent. OJ got away with it and so did Anthony. 3 seconds is a long arse time.

I'm of the opinion that it was all appropriate until the end. He defended himself appropriately but ultimately took it too far and did not intelligently use his weapon.

This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 12:36 pm
Posted by LT
The City of St. George
Member since May 2008
5153 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:30 pm to
Ok so you're talking out of your arse... Got it... He probably should have shot him in he leg too.

Posted by TheSexecutioner
Member since Mar 2011
5264 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:30 pm to
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And just to entertain this billy badass approach you've put out there, would you approach the situation with a suspect much bigger than you in a shy and timid way or maybe something a little more commanding and assertive?


Aggressive from a position of power. Not pinned in my car. If he was trying to get control of the situation by being assertive, then yeh, I can get behind that. But if you are going to do that, don't put yourself in a shitty position where you can't even get out of your car to stand up to the dude.

I'm not saying he should have been more polite to Brown or anything. But its like he simultaneously raised tensions while making himself more defenseless.
Posted by TheSexecutioner
Member since Mar 2011
5264 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:36 pm to
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Ok so you're talking out of your arse... Got it... He probably should have shot him in he leg too.


How do you figure? I have no problem with the shooting. I have a problem with the officer being an idiot at first. If you want to justify lethal force against an unarmed guy because the guy is a human weapon, thats fine. I agree with that. But why does the officer than get a pass for not readily identifying that weapon and engaging him in such a way as to protect himself?

People have to be willing to deal with the consequences of fighting cops. Death is one of them. But that does not mean we can't as a society still try to have expectations for a high percentage of unarmed thugs fighting with cops who are arrested without having to use lethal force.
Posted by rintintin
Life is Life
Member since Nov 2008
16714 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 12:49 pm to
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It seems like you addressed that post to me despite me agreeing with all of those things. You must be confused.



I must be, because you seem to be defending Brown's actions. Or I am mistaken.

If your whole gripe is how the cop handled it, then I'll agree that there were probably 100 different ways to handle the situation, but hindsight is 20/20. Wilson had no idea the guy was going to attack him, as I'm sure throughout his career he never had such an incident happen.

And I promise you if he could go back and do it again, he probably would approach it a different way. Do you really think he wanted to kill somebody? Do you really think he wanted all of this to happen? After it was all said and done, Brown was ultimately responsible for his own death.
Posted by Rattlehead82
Florida
Member since Sep 2009
2024 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 1:15 pm to
Hindsight is a hell of a super power. You don't know how you'd react in the same situation.
Posted by TheSexecutioner
Member since Mar 2011
5264 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 1:15 pm to
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I must be, because you seem to be defending Brown's actions. Or I am mistaken.


You are very much mistaken. In no way am I defending Brown's actions. I am focusing on the cops actions, not Browns. Browns were inexcusable.

I do not think he wanted to kill someone. Not at all. I think he didn't think it 100% through. Maybe if he didn't have that gun and its the threat of getting killed or hurt himself as opposed to killing somebody else, maybe he thinks it through a little bit more. Thats what I mean when I say by he was emboldened by the gun. Not that he was trigger happy. I think he thought there was a less than 1% chance he would be in serious trouble, but that 1% seems like a lot when its your life or well-being at stake.

Probably didn't have the training or experience dealing with somebody that big. At that size, Brown needs to understand that he doesn't have the benefit most people do of being able to struggle with cops and not be a threat that requires lethal force to put down. But I'm not alright with just stopping there. I think police training and execution of their training should hold contingencies for unarmed physically imposing people who struggle. People struggling with cops is not this rare occurrence that it is being portrayed. Normally nobody dies. I have this apparently radical belief that brain power can be used to address the issues arising from Michael Brown's massive size.

And I think its pathetic that people don't even think it would be a better thing if he was apprehended and charged for the crimes rather than died.
Posted by TheSexecutioner
Member since Mar 2011
5264 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 1:24 pm to
I don't really think saying hindsight is 20/20 is that applicable here. This wasn't some really weird unpredictable situation where his taser misfired or Brown was stronger than he expected, or he had some kind of fluke trip that put him in a bad situation.

What transpired happened exactly how any normal person would expect it to happen 9 times out of 10 IF Michael Brown resisted and attacked the cop. An 18 year old criminal who is acting strangely(walking in middle of street, boldly not even hiding the CIgarellos) attacking a cop rather than complying really isn't that rare of an occurrence. The officer put himself in a situation where he would have to use lethal force if Michael Brown fought him. Its not like all these strange unpredictable occurrences all fell into place to lead to some really strange scenario.

When you strip it down, Darren Wilson put all his eggs in the basket of Michael Brown complying or else he would have to shoot him. I don't feel like that is too much of an oversimplification of what happened. This isn't as fluky of a situation as some people are making it out.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 1:25 pm
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