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re: Met Marcus Luttrell today
Posted on 10/23/16 at 1:59 am to Carson123987
Posted on 10/23/16 at 1:59 am to Carson123987
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Yes, he's told it so many times that he knows exactly what to exaggerate now to illicit the best response
Elicit
This post was edited on 10/23/16 at 2:01 am
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:21 am to armytiger16
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What are people saying he embellished? Its been a while since I've read the book but seeing as he was the only one who survived what exactly are people implying he lied about?
I think people say he lied about the number taliban they fought
The local who brought Luttrell in, Gulab, says it wasn't the herdsman who alerted the taliban but the chopper that dropped them off
Gulab and Luttrell have had some kind of falling out I think too
Posted on 10/23/16 at 7:43 am to Blue Velvet
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Blue Velvet
I would pay big money to watch him dismantle your dumb arse.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 7:53 am to Janky
quote:Well you probably get off on violence against innocent people, just like that scumbag Luttrell.
I would pay big money to watch him dismantle your dumb arse.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 8:23 am to SlowEasyConfident
quote:I wouldn't say lied. I'd say he overestimated. Most people think it was about a dozen enemy that ambushed them. A dozen men with machine guns can easily seem like a lot more when they have the high ground.
I think people say he lied about the number taliban they fought
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The local who brought Luttrell in, Gulab, says it wasn't the herdsman who alerted the taliban but the chopper that dropped them off
The crew chief on the helicopter dropped the rope they used to fast rope down at the LZ. The crew chief realized this when they got back to base. Lutrell and his team decided to go back and hide the rope so it wasn't discovered. It was after they did this and were headed back to their overwatch position that they were discovered by the goat herder.
The simple fact is that Lutrell and his team were ambushed and so many were killed because it was a poorly planned and executed mission. The Marine Corps initially planned the operation and were going to send. In an 8 man sniper team on foot to do the recon then land a company of infantry on the village by helicopter to kill or capture the head bad guy(his namd escapes me at the moment). The Marines had to request helicopter support from the 160th special operations regiment because Marine helicopters couldn't fly at thosr altitudes and regular army pilots wouldn't fly in a zero illumination environment(it was a new moon or something like that). After they requested that helicopter support SOCOM got wind of the mission and took it over.
The Marines told the SEALs repeatedly to walk the recon team in amd to send more than four guys. They also told them repeatedly that they should bring the older, heavier but more reliable PRC-119 radio because Satellite communications were spotty in the area. The SEALs listened to none of this because of their arrogance and hubris and that is why they are dead.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 8:42 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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The simple fact is that Lutrell and his team were ambushed and so many were killed because it was a poorly planned and executed mission. The Marine Corps initially planned the operation and were going to send. In an 8 man sniper team on foot to do the recon then land a company of infantry on the village by helicopter to kill or capture the head bad guy(his namd escapes me at the moment). The Marines had to request helicopter support from the 160th special operations regiment because Marine helicopters couldn't fly at thosr altitudes and regular army pilots wouldn't fly in a zero illumination environment(it was a new moon or something like that). After they requested that helicopter support SOCOM got wind of the mission and took it over. The Marines told the SEALs repeatedly to walk the recon team in amd to send more than four guys. They also told them repeatedly that they should bring the older, heavier but more reliable PRC-119 radio because Satellite communications were spotty in the area. The SEALs listened to none of this because of their arrogance and hubris and that is why they are dead.
It's definitely a training scenario/case study now of "what not to do." There was enough incompetence to go around but very few people that were actually involved are willing to publicly come out and say that, granted how big a story (and movie) it's become.
I've always respected Luttrell, because even "IF" he's embellished some things, it doesn't change the hell he went through and ultimately survived, due to some sheer incompetence that came from top and flowed to bottom. From all accounts, the other 3 guys were honorable SEAL's and I can't imagine a scenario where Luttrell did anything during the skirmish to dishonor his brothers. And the fact that he's telling their story for them, doesn't bother me.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 8:51 am to Michael J Cocks
I'm not taking anything away from their bravery. By all accounts they fought hard and honorably. But it's a disservice to the craft to not honeslty look at what happened and learn from it. They fricked up. More accurately their immediate superiors fricked up when planning the mission although Mike Murphy and his team almost certainly had a hand in planninh some of the details.
Posted on 10/23/16 at 9:30 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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Went to grammar school and High School with Jacques Fontaine. He died in the copter downed by the RPG.
Can't tell you how many of his good friends I've met that didn't know his last name was Fontan.
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