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re: Man Shoots AR-15 Against His Nose To Show How Little Kick It Has
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:59 am to slackster
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:59 am to slackster
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A 12 gauge full of slugs would be more damaging in a night club.
So would dropping bleach tabs into buckets of ammonia.
Yet these aren't used - why?
I go back to this:
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Why is the AR-15 being used more than its "more dangerous" counterparts?
simply put, the media is planting the seed in their head that the AR is the only weapon capable of doing what they want to do.
Mass Shooters usually aren't any more knowledgeable in weapons than the mainstream media
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Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:00 am to soccerfüt
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In that brief gif there is evidence of several douche-appropriate choices. And the original premise is non-sensical, if one has a strong enough hand, it renders this point moot.
The worst part about this whole response is You Get To frickING Vote!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:00 am to UpToPar
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But people need to realize that the only reason why one is capable of killing more people is magazine capacity
ya a 9mm from a handgun does the same about of damage as a .223 or .308 round from a rifle 
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:01 am to UpToPar
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But people need to realize that the only reason why one is capable of killing more people is magazine capacity. It's not that one is black and the other is wood, it's not that one has a pistol grip, or a collapsible stock or a fore grip or a flashlight or laser.
I think people could come to understand the functionality of custom AR-15s if the other side was willing to have a conversation about why they're so often used in mass murders.
The problem is that pro-gun advocates are more worried about correcting people who call it an "assault rifle" than they are about having the discussion about high-capacity magazines. More often than not I hear people dismiss the entire topic because off some technicality, much like this thread. A guy puts the damn gun to his nose to prove it has little to no kick and people lose their mind over how much Americana he displayed. Someone calls it an assault rifle on the air and people flip out shouting ArmaLite. Stop doing that shite and address the actual point the other side is making.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:01 am to mylsuhat
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It takes < 1 second to drop a magazine and put another one in
Sure, if you know what you're doing. I'm betting that your average person with even a basic understanding of firearms would take at least 5-10 second to drop the empty mag, grab a new mag, load the mag and chamber a round. If we take into consideration that the shooter has to do that every 5 rounds, that's quite a bit of time and opens up an opportunity to take the shooter down.
I'm not saying that a magazine capacity ban is constitutional or logical, I'm just saying that a gun with a higher capacity magazine is capable of killing more people in a shorter amount of time.
Btw: did they ever say how many spent casings were found in the night club?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:03 am to lsu480
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ya a 9mm from a handgun does the same about of damage as a .223 or .308 round from a rifle
You don't read well. When's the last time you saw a 9mm deer rifle?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:05 am to UpToPar
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Btw: did they ever say how many spent casings were found in the night club?
Well he hit over 100 people, most multiple times, so if you assume he missed even a little bit there had to be well over 300 but I don't think it was ever announced. Under your plan he would have needed over 60 mags.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:06 am to UpToPar
My bad, I guess I don't read well at all 
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:08 am to slackster
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I think people could come to understand the functionality of custom AR-15s if the other side was willing to have a conversation about why they're so often used in mass murders.
The problem is that pro-gun advocates are more worried about correcting people who call it an "assault rifle" than they are about having the discussion about high-capacity magazines. More often than not I hear people dismiss the entire topic because off some technicality, much like this thread. A guy puts the damn gun to his nose to prove it has little to no kick and people lose their mind over how much Americana he displayed. Someone calls it an assault rifle on the air and people flip out shouting ArmaLite. Stop doing that shite and address the actual point the other side is making.
Thing is it isn't just about the AR15. You outlaw it or whatever and mass killers will find other ways to kill people with the same if not more effective manner.
Each side "knows" what they know. They aren't willing to budge on the issue because they are on polar opposite ends of the spectrum.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:09 am to UpToPar
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your average person with even a basic understanding of firearms would take at least 5-10 second to drop the empty mag, grab a new mag, load the mag and chamber a round. If we take into consideration that the shooter has to do that every 5 rounds, that's quite a bit of time and opens up an opportunity to take the shooter down.
This is my favorite "wargame" scenario from the left (not accusing you directly, btw, just in general)
Some love to hypothesize that a shooter could be taken out in the brief window between reloads but very often the same people refuse to acknowledge the possibility that a concealed carry holder could have stopped the killing much earlier by shooting this guy.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:09 am to UpToPar
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You don't read well. When's the last time you saw a 9mm deer rifle?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:09 am to lsu480
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Well he hit over 100 people, most multiple times, so if you assume he missed even a little bit there had to be well over 300 but I don't think it was ever announced.
Not necessarily. In a crowd like that, you can expect a single round to hit more than one person. A .223 at those distances would cleanly pass through a human body depending on where the person was hit.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:11 am to Ace Midnight
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So what will? Agreeing to a ban? Magic tricks? I mean, if people will not listen to reason, facts, truth - then what will sway them?
Any semblance of compassion, respect, and an open mind would be a good start.
One side argues that AR-15s need to be addressed due to their prevalent use in mass murders. The other side argues that if it wasn't an AR-15 it would have been a shotgun or ammonia and bleach. What kind of argument is that? It wasn't a shotgun. It wasn't ammonia and bleach. It WAS an AR-15 though.
You're not addressing the problem. You think it is as simple as saying crazy people will try to kill large amounts of people with whatever tools they can find, so regulating AR-15s won't stop them. I don't disagree with the first part, but I'm reasonable enough to see that one tool (guns), and more specifically AR-15s, tends to be the tool of choice. Whether or not it is the most effective killing tool out there is irrelevant when it is the one that is actually being used the most. The fact that some of you refuse to address that is troublesome.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:13 am to UpToPar
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Not necessarily. In a crowd like that, you can expect a single round to hit more than one person. A .223 at those distances would cleanly pass through a human body depending on where the person was hit.
meh not necessarily depending on what he was shooting. If it were 55gr ball, it would likely fragment upon impact.
If he was shooting green tips, then yes they'd be zipping through people like they weren't there...I'm betting this is the case because the number of people hit is so incredibly high.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:14 am to tke857
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Thing is it isn't just about the AR15. You outlaw it or whatever and mass killers will find other ways to kill people with the same if not more effective manner.
I'm not suggesting it should be outlawed, but if I was, I still don't see the logic in this argument. "We're not going to do anything about the current method most mass murders are using because they'll just find another method."
What kind of sense does that make?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:14 am to slackster
There's really nothing special about the AR-15 that makes it effective. It looks "cool" and carries high cap. magazines.
Other firearms do the same.
9mm
Other firearms do the same.
9mm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:16 am to slackster
it sets an ugly precedent that you know the liberal agenda would take advantage of. You ban the AR then whats next? There is a larger argument here and the 2nd amendment which I think most pro-gun advocates are really trying to protect. They arent just trying to protect the AR.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:18 am to slackster
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it is the one that is actually being used the most.
in a very very specific type of EXTREMELY rare crime.
This is akin to suggesting that Disney needs to erect an impenetrable barrier around its resort to prevent alligators from eating children.
It's incredibly sad that this kid got eaten, but there really is nothing which could have been reasonably done to prevent it.
Reasonable, defined in this context, to mean appropriate relative to likelihood of effective prevention.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:18 am to UpToPar
quote:Actually tests have shown that in close quarters a .223 has far less penetration than most handgun rounds
A .223 at those distances would cleanly pass through a human body depending on where the person was hit.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 11:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
Damn fine shot in that deer pic!
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