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re: Major airline disaster in South Korea, plane crashes with 181 passengers aboard...
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:24 am to Gus007
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:24 am to Gus007
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DEI at work.
We don't need experts we need a diverse work force.
Should they have hired more North Korean pilots instead of just South Koreans?
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Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:31 am to The Boat
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Blancolirio basically says it was caused by a shitty Asian crew without saying it out loud.
I think the only caveats he is throwing out there that this isn't a total flight crew failure is if the thrust reverser was actuated upon the bird strike, but even then, I assume they could just shut that engine down and fly with one, or if the bird strike inexplicably caused massive failures of redundant systems.
It's looking like they didn't follow emergency checklists to get the backup systems engaged to use critical parts of the aircraft (landing gear, flaps). This is why training is so critical obviously, when the bird literally hits the fan.
This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 10:33 am
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:49 am to KosmoCramer
Can reverse thrusters even deploy without landing gear down?
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:53 am to BilbeauTBaggins
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Can reverse thrusters even deploy without landing gear down?
it’s possible but they’re not used in flight, the old DC-8 used to use reverse thrust on the numbers 2 and 3(inboard,) engines in flight as speed brakes
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:54 am to BilbeauTBaggins
I believe on a 737 they can, I think i goes by the Altimeter.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:55 am to Saintsisit
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This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 11:59 am
Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:55 am to BilbeauTBaggins
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Can reverse thrusters even deploy without landing gear down?
On the 737, you can actuate the reverse thrusters when at or below 10 feet of radio altitude. So either this malfunctioned and went off mid air, or the pilots used the override of the weight on wheels switch (since there was no gear down to trigger WOW) when they were landing.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:10 pm to KosmoCramer
The more keep learning about this, the more I learn towards the crew being in complete disarray and forgetting how to land a plane.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:11 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
Don’t you think when they hit the ground on their belly they’d have tried to pull back up?
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:15 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Don’t you think when they hit the ground on their belly they’d have tried to pull back up?
They knew the gear wasn't down.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:17 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Don’t you think when they hit the ground on their belly they’d have tried to pull back up?
Someone smarter than me could provide a more informed perspective, but based on the video it looks like they might be trying to.
What's so odd is that the flaps were extended on the flyover and retracted on the crash landing.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:18 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
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The more keep learning about this, the more I learn towards the crew being in complete disarray and forgetting how to land a plane.
I think it's likely when they lost the engine, they freaked out and just wanted to put it on the ground, emergency procedure checklists be damned. Not going into a holding pattern to work the problem is a major red flag unless they had significant fuel issues, which seems unlikely since they were making their first approach when the bird strike happened, and they landed 7 minutes later.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:20 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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What's so odd is that the flaps were extended on the flyover and retracted on the crash landing.
They likely retracted the flaps when they went around after the bird strike.
Why they didn't add them back in on landing is a mystery right now.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:23 pm to LSUBoo
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And by "seen" I was seeing it through the plane window while landing in it.
Did your underwear survive?
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:31 pm to RollTide1987
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Apparent hydraulic failure of the landing gear due to a bird strike.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:34 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
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The more keep learning about this, the more I learn towards the crew being in complete disarray and forgetting how to land a plane.
Considering the fact that they landed 5-7min after the go-around, fatigue and over-saturation could’ve led to a breakdown in aeronautical decision making.
However, could there be something we don’t know that led to the rushing of decisions? Smoke in the cockpit, broken windscreen. They should’ve been able to run the checklists, but they were obviously rushed for some reason.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:39 pm to 0x15E
Any word on the black box and voice recorder?
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:40 pm to TDTOM
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the black box
they're really orange, just sayin'
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:49 pm to 0x15E
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Considering the fact that they landed 5-7min after the go-around, fatigue and over-saturation could’ve led to a breakdown in aeronautical decision making.
It sounds like they went around after the bird strike and immediately requested permission to land the opposite way (assuming this was less optimal wind conditions for landing, but haven't seen that officially). They wanted the plane on the ground immediately, even with no gear, and they allegedly touched down halfway down the runway and didn't try to go around again.
So either massive catastrophic mechanical failures, or catastrophic massive pilot error forcing a plane to the ground without executing proper emergency procedures.
Really sad.
This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 12/30/24 at 12:50 pm to TDTOM
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Any word on the black box and voice recorder?
Nothing yet. I’m sure with how high-profile this accident is it will be a while before we hear what really happened up there.
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