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re: Louisiana is the world's prison capital
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:23 am to Dire Wolf
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:23 am to Dire Wolf
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However you are insane to think the problems with the black community aren't derived from Jim Crow/slavery.
I have a history degree so I know a bit about this, and I couldn't honestly say you are wrong. BUT that doesn't explain why so little effort is seen in the black community to fix it now. This isn't to claim that it would be some sort of single generation fix. It will take several generation to start to turn things around. Teaching respect for your neighbor, respect for your parents, being responsible for your children...that's something that can be change regardless of higher education or work opportunities. In fact, it's been observed to some degree that those with a higher sense of those responsibilities find the educational and job opportunities easier to come by. All of which swings back to the lower crime rate which we all seem to seek. It seems like yourself and CorporateTiger are suggesting that since the black community didn't create the problem, they can't fix it and that's simply untrue. They can't fix it easily, that doesn't mean they should not start trying.
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Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:27 am to Dire Wolf
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However you are insane to think the problems with the black community aren't derived from Jim Crow/slavery
How long will this be a crutch?
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:29 am to SpeckledTiger
quote:This isn't an easy problem to fix at all. It will take a generation to see a 180 change and that is if everyone in the community took a utilitarian approach to life this very second. They have been so marginalized that they are plagued with a sense of hopelessness. This is not to say that the women of the black community couldn't stop a lot of this by simply not having babies at young ages.
I have a history degree so I know a bit about this, and I couldn't honestly say you are wrong. BUT that doesn't explain why so little effort is seen in the black community to fix it now. This isn't to claim that it would be some sort of single generation fix. It will take several generation to start to turn things around. Teaching respect for your neighbor, respect for your parents, being responsible for your children...that's something that can be change regardless of higher education or work opportunities. In fact, it's been observed to some degree that those with a higher sense of those responsibilities find the educational and job opportunities easier to come by. All of which swings back to the lower crime rate which we all seem to seek. It seems like yourself and CorporateTiger are suggesting that since the black community didn't create the problem, they can't fix it and that's simply untrue. They can't fix it easily, that doesn't mean they should not start trying.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:31 am to MontyFranklyn
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This isn't an easy problem to fix at all. It will take a generation to see a 180 change and that is if everyone in the community took a utilitarian approach to life this very second. They have been so marginalized that they are plagued with a sense of hopelessness. This is not to say that the women of the black community couldn't stop a lot of this by simply not having babies at young ages.
you would think over time it would get better. in my life time I have seen it get worse.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:31 am to Topwater Trout
quote:As long as the system that derived from these things continue to exist. I don't think that is a crutch, but only the simple truth.
How long will this be a crutch?
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:32 am to Topwater Trout
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How long will this be a crutch?
I always find it weird that white posters bring up slavery/jim crow the majority of the time and y'all always get mad at the black posters/people on here for what the white guy said...
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:34 am to Topwater Trout
quote:You must be looking at a very small, skewed slice of reality. It is easy to see why though when that is all you are shown.
you would think over time it would get better. in my life time I have seen it get worse.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:35 am to 805tiger
quote:i have purposely stayed out of this thread.
I always find it weird that white posters bring up slavery/jim crow the majority of the time and y'all always get mad at the black posters/people on here for what the white guy said...
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:36 am to 805tiger
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y'all always get mad
I don't get mad
I think it is an excuse and I also think attitudes and entitlements have gotten worse since the 80's & 90's...seriously how are the problems of being enslaved getting worse the further we get from slavery? Shouldn't time heal all wounds?
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:37 am to meauxjeaux2
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meauxjeaux2
You're white and was once apart of the system you should have plenty of knowledge to share....
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:39 am to MontyFranklyn
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You must be looking at a very small, skewed slice of reality. It is easy to see why though when that is all you are shown.
are you aware of what is happening in this country recently? the riots? the protests? being offended by the littlest of things? 20 years ago people weren't so easily offended and certainly didn't harp on the slavery or racism excuse for everything.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:39 am to Topwater Trout
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I think it is an excuse and I also think attitudes and entitlements have gotten worse since the 80's & 90's...seriously how are the problems of being enslaved getting worse the further we get from slavery? Shouldn't time heal all wounds?
I've never made those excuses.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:41 am to Topwater Trout
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20 years ago people weren't so easily offended and certainly didn't harp on the slavery or racism excuse for everything.
I was a toddler back then but I'm sure those thoughts were prevalent, but now you have all types of social media outlets for you voice to be heard.
This post was edited on 3/30/16 at 10:42 am
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:46 am to SpeckledTiger
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they can't fix it and that's simply untrue
I would never suggest that. I got in on this because people wanted to talk about "the real issue but I don't want to be banned" as if some people are genetically pre-disposed to committing crime.
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How long will this be a crutch?
It is not a crutch. it is just the reality of the situation.
Segregation ended in 60s. Leaving 13% of population stuck in poverty and more willing to take risk.
The war on drugs started in 70s, crack hit in 80s and we lost a generation of youth to it.
This post was edited on 3/30/16 at 10:50 am
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:47 am to Topwater Trout
Who is saying the problems are getting worse? A lot of things have gotten better in this area over the last few decades. The criminal justice system continuing to be a huge fiasco that hurts poor people and particularly poor minorities (since a disproportionate number of poor people are minorities) does not mean that things haven't gotten better.
Entitlements and incentives to remain poor are a big issue in this country. Single parent households and children raising children are also big issues. However we shouldn't let those things preclude acting on other government systems that are also broken.
Entitlements and incentives to remain poor are a big issue in this country. Single parent households and children raising children are also big issues. However we shouldn't let those things preclude acting on other government systems that are also broken.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:48 am to 805tiger
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I've never made those excuses.
and there are many that don't but there are some that seem more offended now than ever...yes social media is a reason why it seems more common now
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:49 am to Topwater Trout
quote:They did, but there wasn't an outlet to voice how they felt. What you are seeing now is a portion of a people feeling empowered and using the outlets available to make sure their voices are heard. Are all the issues they are bringing up legit? No, but the pent up aggression is just coming out. It will run its course.
are you aware of what is happening in this country recently? the riots? the protests? being offended by the littlest of things? 20 years ago people weren't so easily offended and certainly didn't harp on the slavery or racism excuse for everything.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:51 am to Dire Wolf
quote:What is sad is that the ones saying this truly believe it because that is what they have been taught since the very beginning. They ignore all the other variables and cherry pick a few to back their argument.
I would never suggest that. I got in on this because people wanted to talk about "the real issue but I don't want to be banned" as if some people are genetically pre-disposed to committing crime.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:53 am to MontyFranklyn
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the pent up aggression is just coming out. It will run its course
I think its doing much more harm than good. Instead of allowing the country to heal and move on they keep ripping the scab off.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:58 am to Topwater Trout
Very true in some aspects, but in other aspects, there are a lot of issues with race that this country should confront (many of which can be seen in this thread). I think there is a better way to have the dialogue than the way BLM is acting. Yet political discourse in this country is at a low in a number of areas.
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