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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:38 pm to
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:38 pm to
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Russia has stated all along that the Donbas was what they wanted and had majority pro Russian people opposed to the current regime in that region.


Medvedev is very explicit in saying Russia's ambitions don't stop with Donbas or even Ukraine. People nearly always tell you what their intentions are if you listen.

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Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev has called Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia "Russian provinces" and Poland "temporarily occupied"
LINK


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LONDON (Reuters) - Former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev said on Friday that the only way for Moscow to ensure a lasting peace with Ukraine was to push back the borders of hostile states as far as possible, even if that meant the frontiers of NATO member Poland.
LINK
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:38 pm to
Loving this unhinged rant of fiction on the same page as someone asking “iS AnY oNe sUpPortiNg RuSSiA??”
This post was edited on 10/8/23 at 7:39 pm
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:40 pm to
Holy delusional nonsense


Are you saying it's not? Because that would imply that it isn't in Russian control. Which will prove your dishonesty.

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Hopium at its finest



Again, just another quick quib with no substance...

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I vote No


Again, no substance. But vote how you like.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:41 pm to
The first article is from May 16, 2023

I think we both agree that much has happened since then.

Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:41 pm to
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Russia is in full control of the Donbas.


Except they aren't
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- Luhansk:
UA: 330 sq Km (1,24%)
RuAF: 26354 sq Km (98,76%)
- Donetsk:
UA: 11217 sq Km (42,31 %)
RuAF: 15300 sq Km (57,69%)
- Zaporizhia:
UA: 6929 sq Km (25,49 %)
RuAF: 20254 sq Km (74,51%)
- Kherson:
UA: 7038 sq Km (24,73 %)
RuAF: 21423 sq Km (75,27%)

LINK

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Russia has stated all along that the Donbas was what they wanted and had majority pro Russian people opposed to the current regime in that region.


Except they've said they literally want to take over all of Ukraine repeatedly. And that's not counting the myriad of random BS they use as excuses for the war from denazification to mutant mosquitoes to NATO expansion

They may have the land bridge but Russia is far from achieving even their bare minimum goal of "liberating" the DPR and LPR
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:41 pm to
The second is from February 2023



Jesus you just lost an an internet argument not your home or car!
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:43 pm to
Sorry, but the citizens of the United States deserve more info then a link to Twitter (X) user @surilk

Fair?
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105289 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:43 pm to
Here's one from four days ago.

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n official in the Ukrainian region which Moscow claims to have annexed has said Russia should try to take territory that was formerly part of the Russian Empire "through the might" of weapons. In September 2022, Zaporizhzhia was one of four Ukrainian regions that Vladimir Putin claimed to have annexed, the others being Kherson, Luhansk and Donetsk, although Moscow does not fully control any of them. But the top Kremlin-installed official in the oblast, Yevgeny Balitsky, said Russia should also have its eye on the Baltic states, as well as Poland and Finland, all five of which are NATO countries.
LINK
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:46 pm to
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:48 pm to
Nice paywall from [i]Newsweek[/i.

You guys lost. There is no calvary coming to save those poor people.

It's over. And Kiev is completely destroyed.

For what? It's time for acceptance.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:49 pm to
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Russia holding elections in regions they don't occupy


Im sorry people of the US deserve better than a link to the AP News

Also literally the headline of your article
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Russia holds elections in occupied Ukrainian regions in an effort to tighten its grip there
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:50 pm to
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Russia holds elections in occupied Ukrainian regions in an effort to tighten its grip there


What's the problem? Seems like they are hankering down their efforts in land they occupy.

Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:50 pm to
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Im sorry people of the US deserve better than a link to the AP News


Yeah. Let's go with Newsweek instead of the Associated Press.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:55 pm to
ISW Update

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Russia advanced legal mechanisms to reform the Leningrad Military District as part of ongoing large-scale military reforms. The Russian federal portal of draft regulatory legal acts published a presidential decree on October 8, prepared by the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD), which proposes stripping the Northern Fleet (NF) of its status as an “interspecific strategic territorial association.”[1] Russian state media noted that the proposal indicates that the NF will no longer be a separate military-administrative unit equal to a military district, suggesting that the NF and its four constituent regions (The Komi Republic, Arkhangelsk, and Murmansk oblasts, and the Nenets Autonomous Okrug) will be transferred to the reformed Leningrad Military District

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations near Bakhmut and marginally advanced in western Zaporizhia Oblast on October 8. Geolocated footage published on October 8 shows that Ukrainian forces made limited gains north of Novoprokopivka (14km south of Orikhiv), and a Russian milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces also advanced near Kopani (10km southwest of Orikhiv).[7] The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces achieved partial success northeast of Andriivka (7km southwest of Bakhmut), and Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces continued attacks near Andriivka, and Kurdyumivka (11km southwest of Bakhmut).[8] Russian and Ukrainian sources reported that deteriorating weather conditions are impacting both Russian and Ukrainian operations across the theater

Russian forces are intensifying mining efforts in the Robotyne-Verbove area and seek to fix Ukrainian forces on areas of the front away from western Zaporizhia Oblast. Russian milbloggers claimed that Russian forces have begun remining previously cleared areas on the Robotyne-Verbove line (10km south to 18km southeast of Orikhiv) to achieve tactical surprise

Russian sources are highlighting apparent fault lines between regular Russian forces and irregular formations of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR). A Russian milblogger claiming to be a Buryat soldier fighting in the 37th Motorized Rifle Brigade [MRB] (36th Combined Arms Army, Eastern Military District) responded on October 7 to a post published by another milblogger on August 13 that accused the 37th MRB of abandoning their positions around Novodonetske (in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia border area) during Ukrainian attacks that ultimately liberated the village, leaving only elements of the DNR “Kaskad” operational tactical combat formation to defend the area

Ukrainian Air Force Spokesperson Colonel Yuriy Ihnat expressed concern over an anticipated Russian Shahed 131/136 drone strike campaign against Ukraine this winter. Ihnat stated on October 8 that Russian forces have increased the intensity of Shahed strikes recently, as Ukrainian officials previously warned.[19] Ihnat stated that Russian forces used 1,000 Shahed drones during the 2023-23 heating season but used a record 500 drones during September 2023 alone, indicating that Ukraine needs to prepare seriously for Russia’s 2023-24 winter drone strike campaign

The Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) observed satellite imagery showing that rail traffic between North Korea and Russia “dramatically” increased since Russian President Vladimir Putin met with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un on September 12-17.[21] CSIS’ Beyond Parallel project found that satellite imagery captured on October 5 showed an “unprecedented” 73 freight railcars at the North Korea’s Tumangang Rail Facility. Beyond Parallel noted that previous satellite images showed a maximum of approximately 20 railcars at the Tumangang facility at once over the past five years.

The Russian federal government continues to disenfranchise certain ethnic minority federal subjects (regions) while selectively empowering others. Radio Liberty’s Tatar-Bashkir service Idel Realii amplified an opinion piece written by Tatar activist Ruslan Aisin on October 8 which criticizes the implementation of a new Tatarstan state national policy as federally enforced “feudalism.”[24] Aisin noted that the new policy dropped a provision on “strengthening Tatarstan identity,” which Aisin emphasized is aimed at Russifying ethnically diverse populations living in the Russian Federation, and claimed that the Russian federal government likely prompted the provision’s removal.[25] Aisin remarked that the removal of this provision is meant to deprive ethnic minority regions of their ability to empower their own cultures, languages, and traditions but questioned why Chechen Republic Head Ramzan Kadyrov is allowed to publicly promote Chechen traditions and identity.


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Key Takeaways:

Russia advanced legal mechanisms to form the Leningrad Military District as part of ongoing large-scale military reforms.

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations near Bakhmut and marginally advanced in western Zaporizhia Oblast on October 8.

Russian forces are intensifying mining efforts in the Robotyne-Verbove area and seek to fix Ukrainian forces on areas of the front away from western Zaporizhia Oblast.

Russian sources are highlighting apparent fault lines between regular Russian forces and irregular formations of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR).

Ukrainian Air Force Spokesperson Colonel Yuriy Ihnat expressed concern over an anticipated Russian Shahed 131/136 drone strike campaign against Ukraine this winter.

The Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) observed satellite imagery showing that rail traffic between North Korea and Russia “dramatically” increased since Russian President Vladimir Putin met with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un on September 12-17

The Russian federal government continues to disenfranchise certain ethnic minority federal subjects (regions) while selectively empowering others.

Russian forces continued offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, western Donetsk Oblast, and on the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast administrative border on October 8 and reportedly advanced in some areas.

Prague-based Russian-language outlet Current Time reported on October 8 that the number of desertion cases within the Russian military has increased.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:57 pm to
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What's the problem?


Your post
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Russia holding elections in regions they don't occupy



The headline

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Russia holds elections in occupied Ukrainian regions in an effort to tighten its grip there


I'm sure you can figure out the problem all by yourself there
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:57 pm to
Link?
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 8:00 pm to
Nevermind I found it and the ENTIRE Donbas region is red.

IndicatinG Russian controlled Territory on the ISW website!

It's over. Send Putin on an aircraft carrier with a "Mission Accomplished" t shirt.

Even frickin Bloomberg has the maps from yesterday.

LINK

This post was edited on 10/8/23 at 8:04 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 8:06 pm to
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Nevermind I found it and the ENTIRE Donbas region is red.

IndicatinG Russian controlled Territory on the ISW website!

It's over. Send Putin on an aircraft carrier with a "Mission Accomplished" t shirt.

Even frickin Bloomberg has the maps from yesterday


This is the map from Bloomberg you just posted. What in the hell are you talking about

Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 8:07 pm to
The red region.

Occupied Russian territory.

All the way to Crimea.

Which they needed to distribute their oil.

They couldn't care less about the rest of Ukraine.

It's over.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 8:09 pm to
So to get this straight

You claim that Russia has control over all of the donbas and they are somehow holding elections in unoccupied territory

When shown by your own sources they don't control the whole Donbas and only held elections in occupied territories you change your position to they got what they need?

ET: I'm going out a limb and guessing you are a member of the Kyiv was just a feint group as well?
This post was edited on 10/8/23 at 8:12 pm
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