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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Do you not understand that between two extremes you'll most likely find a hell of a lot of middle ground?
Because these things appear to me to be discrete actions, with no direct relational apparatus. That is the source of contention here, that somehow spending money on Ukraine is distracting the US from spending money on supply chains. I don't buy that argument specifically.
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Why further frick up something that's already fricked up? Do you realize that prolongs recovery?
Well brother, I'm not personally responsible for any of the decisions we are discussing. I'm asking for an argument about how two discrete systems are connected, and you reply with this shite. Again, I'm looking for something substantive, not reactionary moaning into the ether.
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So, because you have no guarantee its Ok to further make the same mistakes again?
What mistakes are being made?
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Tell that to Putin and see if he listens to you. That is who turned things up
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The last thing you do in economic distress is heat up things even more. that's as simple economics as you can get.
Who is the cause of things 'heating up?'
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:18 pm to crazy4lsu
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Because these things appear to me to be discrete actions
I mean, that's so silly its impossible to argue against.
The billions we pump into the Ukraine will further damage supply chains. I know you dont' understand, you'll just have to watch and spin that in the future, like you do when it happens.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:19 pm to CitizenK
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ell that to Putin and see if he listens to you. That is who turned things up
You populists are so precious. The naivety must draw people to you.
Things heated up long before Russia attacked, they made it worse, Biden is making it more worse.
that's a fact. You don't understand, its ok.
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Refining and oil production are two different business sectors. Not two refineries are alike. No two crude oil sources are alike. Complex calculations, in the form of process simulations, are made by each refinery for which sources of crude oil to purchase, then blend into a crude oil cocktail before refining.
You are getting issues mixed
You are getting issues mixed
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:22 pm to CitizenK
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Refining and oil production are two different business sectors.
Correct, but the war on oil affects every fricking one. When you declare war, investors and speculators listen.
this problem started LOOOONG before the war. When your economy heats up, things get stretched. If you can't recognize that, then dont know what to tell you.
When you stretch them further, things break down totally which is where we are headed.
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Biden has stated he wants to end fossil fuels. There's no way to claim that isn't impacting the situation.
But ultimately, what matters in terms of price?
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When you beg others to produce while putting your own fields off limits, this is the shite you get.
LINK
This outlook suggests that crude production is slated to increase in 2022 to the second highest levels ever recorded. If you look at the BP link and go to page 17, you'll see the total crude production. So again, what explains the increase? Just Biden's statements?
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Dusciussion with you and OML, among a few others, is like trying to explain technical issues to my wife, a former English prof with zero science and math beyond high school
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:25 pm to crazy4lsu
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But ultimately, what matters in terms of price?
As demand increases, and supply remains constant or drops, prices rise exponentially.
When a US president declares war on an industry, people who invest take notice. This energy problem is long term, not short term.
Putting more money into the problem will make recovery last longer.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I mean, that's so silly its impossible to argue against.
I know you don't have any substantive argument. You never do. It always the same nonsense. You are an expert on everything until someone asks for a specific argument and then you always shy away. I'm asking an earnest question and you reply with this nonsense. Just a dullard, through and through.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:26 pm to crazy4lsu
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I know you don't have any substantive argument.
You cant understand High School economics. You wouldn't understand the argument which has been laid our very clearly for you.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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As demand increases, and supply remains constant or drops, prices rise exponentially.
But supply this year is projected to increase.
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When a US president declares war on an industry, people who invest take notice. This energy problem is long term, not short term.
Again, I'm asking for an explanation of why energy prices to ultimate consumers has increased over a span with a variety of approaches to energy. I'm asking about the long-term, and you keep screeching about this president. Again, what is the explanation of the increase in the all sectors price to consumers from 2009 to now? Even 2009 to 2019? Just give me a substantive argument.
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Putting more money into the problem will make recovery last longer.
This makes it seem like the increase in energy prices is directly related to Ukraine, which isn't the case.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:29 pm to crazy4lsu
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his makes it seem like the increase in energy prices is directly related to Ukraine, which isn't the case.
I'm done. Jesus christ..
What causes inflation?
What causes supply disruptions?
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You cant understand High School economics. You wouldn't understand the argument which has been laid our very clearly for you.
Lol, let's be honest, no one has ever questioned my ability to understand arguments. In the milieu of all the data, you keep returning to the current US president. It's absolutely ridiculous when I referenced long-term data initially. My god.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:30 pm to crazy4lsu
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no one has ever questioned my ability to understand arguments
Youre an economic simpleton. You cannot increase demand, with maxed supply lines and not suffer.
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:32 pm to RLDSC FAN
This just in…
Russia just scored AGAIN.
Russia just scored AGAIN.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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What causes inflation?
What causes supply disruptions?
In both cases, COVID is the primary cause, as the setting of cheap money drove the market until there were 'too many dollars chasing too many goods,' as it were. But again, I'm begging you to listen. Why have total energy prices to consumers increased from 2009, despite whoever was in charge of the presidency?
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:32 pm to PiscesTiger
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Russia just scored AGAIN.
Have they found that Ghost of Ukraine?
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:36 pm to crazy4lsu
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In both cases, COVID is the primary cause
Demand shot up above the ability to supply. The smart thing to do is lower demand.
Giving Ukraine billions just moves resources there, and away from places that also need it. The supply chain is already maxed out, and you want to increase demand. That will cause more shortages.
its basic economics. You can argue all you want, but you would be wrong. Post Covid shutdowns (which were stupid enough) is being exacerbated by too much money in an already stressed system. So you will pay higher interest to feel good about ukraine.
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 2:39 pm
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