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re: Kevin Gates destroys Black Lives Matter

Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:33 pm to
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
130450 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:33 pm to
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So you can't have disdain for someone when they act uncivilly while also having respect and admiration for them when they make an effort to change?


There are people who still despise Michael Vick, even after he turned his life around.
Posted by Calvin Candie
The Cleopatra Club
Member since Dec 2014
485 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:34 pm to
Another terrible rebuttal from team BLM. Does this somehow change the fact that BLM is a racial pile of shite? No it doesn't.

I'll bite. You're exactly right, "we" didn't like him back then but now we do. So now what?
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 8:40 pm
Posted by Panny Crickets
Fort Worth, TX
Member since Sep 2008
5596 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:35 pm to
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There are people who still despise Michael Vick, even after he turned his life around.


That's because dogs were involved. Have you read any of the dog threads on the OT?
Posted by AUbagman
LA
Member since Jun 2014
11154 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:37 pm to
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There are people who still despise Michael Vick, even after he turned his life around.


Then it sucks to be them. What else can you do? Not a damned thing. It's their life that will be lived miserable and mad.
Posted by Nativebullet
Plano, TX
Member since Feb 2011
5171 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:40 pm to
don't know who the heck this fella is but I must look him up. that was very brave to speak like that and i agree with 100%. Even when the host kept trying to steer him, he stood firm. I tip my hat to you, Mr. Gates. rock on.
Posted by UnAnon
Breaux Bridge
Member since Sep 2013
6606 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:41 pm to
he made an effort to change after he got released back into society, 5 years ago. Where were y'all then?


Fact of the matter is y'all are using a person of colors opinion (who's Puerto Rican more than he's morrocon btw) to some how assert your opinion on a movement that is attempting to promote equality (Even if a lot of people who tote around BLM misuse the message).


It's the "well the guy we think is black said it so it must be right" mentality.

But in other cases he's just a "dumbass rapper" to most of you on this board.
Posted by AUbagman
LA
Member since Jun 2014
11154 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:43 pm to
What do you know, we all gravitate to those that share our opinion/beliefs and are biased because of that. I'm sure you're exactly the same way.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86294 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:44 pm to
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harassment and sometimes death seemingly only by the color of their skin. Now, you can look at the evidence of each case; case by case; and make your own determinations by whom was right or wrong in each one; but that still doesn't negate that BLM is trying to stand up for some unlawful injustices that have been committed.


Yeah ok. It still should be lives matter. They are bringing race and color of skin into it. And Gates is probably right. Guy sold drugs, he put himself in circumstances to be treated like a criminal. Doesnt matter the color of his skin.
Posted by Nativebullet
Plano, TX
Member since Feb 2011
5171 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:47 pm to
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he made an effort to change after he got released back into society, 5 years ago. Where were y'all then?


Fact of the matter is y'all are using a person of colors opinion (who's Puerto Rican more than he's morrocon btw) to some how assert your opinion on a movement that is attempting to promote equality (Even if a lot of people who tote around BLM misuse the message).


It's the "well the guy we think is black said it so it must be right" mentality.

But in other cases he's just a "dumbass rapper" to most of you on this board.



i don't understand a damn thing you said.
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
17109 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:51 pm to
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The problem with what he and many other people say is that they're operating on assumption that the BLM movement is anti-white.


I didn't hear him say that at all, nor was it necessarily implied at all. He called into doubt the focus of BLM's energies towards white institutions (my words, not his, but the same groups BLM accuses of oppressing "black lives") as persecutors of "black lives." So he didn't accuse BLM of being anti-white at all, he accused them of being misguided and wrong.

He explicitly stated that he felt the conflicts people are having with the police are more the product of their actions and the manner of their interactions with authority rather than on the basis of their skin color. Again, taking issue with BLM's premises, not accusing them of being anti-white. So, first of all, your entire argument revolves around a false premise, essentially invalidating the remainder of your post outright.

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But BLM is a movement standing up for people unjustly harassed and subsequently killed for not being trouble makers


So they contend. Others, Kevin Gates included as he explained, disagree with their fundamental premises.

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but it is saying that we are a group of individuals that want to stand up for a specific group of individuals experiencing harassment and sometimes death seemingly only by the color of their skin.


Seemingly being the operative word. Again, this is the issue.

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Now, you can look at the evidence of each case; case by case; and make your own determinations by whom was right or wrong in each one; but that still doesn't negate that BLM is trying to stand up for some unlawful injustices that have been committed.


You contradict yourself here. So you acknowledge that people can look at the evidence case by case and legitimately draw different conclusions, and then you end with a statement that presupposes that the conclusions BLM favors are the correct ones.

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Does it achieve this end? Perhaps not because of the racists on their side trying to make it an anti-white thing and just being as judgmental and racist as the people they're saying they're against.


More presuppositions that of course reinforce your narrative. You've presupposed that those challenging BLM are "racists" and that their argument rests on the idea of BLM being "anti-white." Also, you dismiss the notion that the BLM movement has elements which promote anti-white undertones. Quite presumptive and dubious I would say. I think there is plenty of evidence to illustrate that those people absolutely exist within the so called "movement."



This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 8:59 pm
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
Member since Jan 2010
21644 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:53 pm to
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This guy is the man. Seriously watch this video. 



Because he is black and said something you agree with?

Posted by DownSouthCrawfish
Lift every voice and sing
Member since Oct 2011
40638 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:55 pm to
Preach
Posted by IgotKINGfisherSpeed
Arlington, TX
Member since Aug 2011
4516 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:58 pm to
Kevin Gates is just catering to his crowd, which is mostly white.

For some reason throughout American history. Any kind of positive movement, which bring Blacks together, scares the shite out of people.
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 8:59 pm
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
17109 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 8:58 pm to
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Fact of the matter is y'all are using a person of colors opinion (who's Puerto Rican more than he's morrocon btw) to some how assert your opinion on a movement that is attempting to promote equality (Even if a lot of people who tote around BLM misuse the message).


It's the "well the guy we think is black said it so it must be right" mentality.

But in other cases he's just a "dumbass rapper" to most of you on this board.


So since the board all of a sudden supports someone they typically would be inclined not to on account that he says something they agree with, someone who you suggest they generally wouldn't support because that person's stereotype would take the opposite position, suggests that they are basing their opinions on the content of what he said rather than his race or profession, no?

I mean, shouldn't that be commendable? Isn't that, rational and impartial? I'm not sure I follow what you are trying to say. It sounds like you want to imply that people are racists or close minded towards blacks or rappers but you exactly highlighted that it is contingent on what ideas it is those blacks or rappers put forth that seems to be the determining factor. Soooo, they aren't being racist at all then...
Posted by Panny Crickets
Fort Worth, TX
Member since Sep 2008
5596 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 9:02 pm to
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Any kind of positive movement, which bring Blacks together,


BLM is positive?
Posted by Calvin Candie
The Cleopatra Club
Member since Dec 2014
485 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 9:03 pm to
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to some how assert your opinion on a movement that is attempting to promote equality


BLM is synonymous with anti white/anti establishment. To think any different is either naive or a troll.
Posted by IgotKINGfisherSpeed
Arlington, TX
Member since Aug 2011
4516 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 9:10 pm to
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BLM is positive?


Any movement which is based on protecting one's rights as an American citizen. I would call it positive. I might not agree with certain tactics, but it's definitely not negative in my book.
Posted by Calvin Candie
The Cleopatra Club
Member since Dec 2014
485 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 9:14 pm to
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one's rights as an American citizen


*black's

I mean it is called Black Lives Matter, not All Lives Matter. Don't forget, now.
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
Member since Jan 2010
21644 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 9:21 pm to
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one's rights as an American citizen



*black's 

I mean it is called Black Lives Matter, not All Lives Matter. Don't forget, now.



Are black people not America citizens?
Posted by freeagent
Member since Oct 2014
922 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 9:22 pm to
You're pretty much right.. I did have some further explanations as to what I was trying to convey that I didn't properly; but it's pretty fair to say you're about right on most of what you said.

But I will throw out that I don't think people challenging BLM are racists nor do I think everyone who supports and perpetuates the BLM movement are not racists. Nor do I think that an original message of a movement cannot be distorted by some of the individuals carrying it out. Perhaps my message was too abridged to include those nuances but I mean it is what it is.

I like Kevin prior to this interview and post this interview. Nothing wrong with having a little conversation about differing thoughts and opinions. Not that mine are so far from yours (or maybe they are?)
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