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re: Just a thought - The Immaculate Conception
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:15 pm to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:15 pm to Mo Jeaux
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If Jesus is sinless, how can he come from something that is sinful?
Because Christ Jesus is the ONLY sinless person to ever live. Completely spotless and therefore, the perfect sacrifice. If one could be sinless in thought and action, then this world would never have needed Christ to save it.
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:15 pm to Mo Jeaux
Cuz Jesus is God. Mary is just Mary that came from the line of David and pretty sure he was up there with the sinning. 
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:17 pm to grizzlylongcut
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Because Christ Jesus is the ONLY sinless person to ever live. Completely spotless and therefore, the perfect sacrifice. If one could be sinless in thought and action, then this world would never have needed Christ to save it.
The point is going over your head. Mary wasn't sinless on her own, but through the grace of God.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:18 pm to tigafan4life
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Cuz Jesus is God. Mary is just Mary that came from the line of David and pretty sure he was up there with the sinning.
So God is unable to make Mary sinless? I though he was omnipotent.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:19 pm to Mo Jeaux
I mean god can do whatever but there is one sinless person that ever was or will be. He died on the cross and rose from the dead. Mary needed salvation just like the rest of us.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:19 pm to Mo Jeaux
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If Jesus is sinless, how can he come from something that is sinful?
Name another sinless person in the Bible. “For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.”
Mary was used by God simply because she came from the line of Abraham and David.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:20 pm to tigafan4life
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I mean god can do whatever but there is one sinless person that ever was or will be. He died on the cross and rose from the dead. Mary needed salvation just like the rest of us.
Yes, he can do whatever, including making Mary be born sinless. Of course she needed salvation. She didn't make herself sinless.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:20 pm to Mo Jeaux
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So God is unable to make Mary sinless?
Not without Christ’s sacrifice. Not without God’s saving grace.
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:22 pm to grizzlylongcut
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Name another sinless person in the Bible. “For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.”
Sola Scriptura is a silly belief.
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Mary was used by God simply because she came from the line of Abraham and David.
OK. And in order to give birth to God and not pass her sin along to him, she had to be sinless.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:22 pm to grizzlylongcut
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Not without Christ’s sacrifice. Not without God’s saving grace.
So God isn't omnipotent.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:22 pm to Mo Jeaux
She’s. Not. Sinless.
Y’all also believe she is a co redeemer. That’s why y’all need her sinless.
Y’all also believe she is a co redeemer. That’s why y’all need her sinless.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:23 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Mary wasn't sinless on her own, but through the grace of God.
Yeah, after Christ died, bore the sin of all mankind, went down to Hell and defeated death by being resurrected. Not before.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:23 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Because to be incarnated as a human, the human that gave birth to him cannot have passed her sin on to him. It wouldn't defeat the purpose of the sacrifice. It was just applied to Mary before it occurred. She wasn't God, don't be silly.
My last response, because nobody is ever going to be convinced on the internet. I know that, it’s fine.
But you’re thinking too literally and scientifically. God flipped the script with Jesus. Everyone at that time thought the Messiah would come down from Heaven triumphantly with an army of angels and throw off the yoke of the Romans in some slaughter of a war and take a literal throne.
But he chose to introduce his son through a teenage virgin, he was a carpenter, from humble beginnings, born in a smelly stable.
He is God, he can make it so His Son was born sinless via a sinful human. It takes faith to believe it, I understand. She was simply chosen as the conduit, just like Adam, Noah, Moses, David, Paul, the disciples were all chosen for their purposes in the Great Story. It doesn’t make them sinless. Praying to Mary is a futile cause, she’s dead, in Heaven but still dead.
Christ is alive though.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:24 pm to liz18lsu
I believe that Franco Harris caught that ball.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:24 pm to Mo Jeaux
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So God isn't omnipotent.
I don’t think you really understand how this whole thing works.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:25 pm to tigafan4life
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She’s. Not. Sinless.
2000 years of Christian tradition disagrees with you, but OK.
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Y’all also believe she is a co redeemer. That’s why y’all need her sinless.
She's only a "co-redeemer" because of her role in bringing Jesus into the world. Also, stop saying "y'all". I don't believe any of this.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:25 pm to liz18lsu
Dave from Venezuela is pissed at your thread title.
As far as a discussion on matters of faith here, it is akin to the sign guys on Bourbon Street attempting to convert the masses.
Jesus himself specifically cautioned against that.
As far as a discussion on matters of faith here, it is akin to the sign guys on Bourbon Street attempting to convert the masses.
Jesus himself specifically cautioned against that.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:26 pm to grizzlylongcut
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I don’t think you really understand how this whole thing works.
Oh, it's me who is misunderstanding something. OK. Either God is or is not omnipotent. It's pretty straightforward.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:27 pm to grizzlylongcut
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Yeah, after Christ died, bore the sin of all mankind, went down to Hell and defeated death by being resurrected. Not before.
So not only is God not omnipotent according to you, but he is also bound by time.
Keep going, you're inventing your own new heresy.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:28 pm to Frac the world
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But you’re thinking too literally and scientifically.
Again, we go back to, all of you believe weird things, but just draw the weird line at different places. 
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