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re: ITEP critics defeat ExxonMobil tax break requests Thursday at School Board

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Posted by LSUgusto
Member since May 2005
19297 posts
Posted on 1/19/19 at 9:56 pm to
The Bell Helicopter case in Lafayette comes to mind. That was a company that received ITEP for creating a certain number of jobs, right before price of oil crashed.

They didn't fulfill their hiring figures, and Lafayette enforced the clawback, and Bell's operation in Lafayette now is zilch.

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Posted by topdollarbill
Shenandoah, LA
Member since Mar 2013
211 posts
Posted on 1/19/19 at 10:14 pm to
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The Bell Helicopter case in Lafayette comes to mind. That was a company that received ITEP for creating a certain number of jobs, right before price of oil crashed.

They didn't fulfill their hiring figures, and Lafayette enforced the clawback, and Bell's operation in Lafayette now is zilch.


We invested 26 million taxpayer dollars and Bell didn't live up to their side of the contract, despite multiple attempts to restructure and help Bell stay in Lafayette. They promised 115 jobs and delivered 22. We promised 26 million and delivered 26 million.

I have no qualms with going after our money. Business is business. We expect a ROI. You don't deliver, there are consequences. You make it happen, there are benefits.

Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
31884 posts
Posted on 1/19/19 at 10:22 pm to
Still waiting for you to produce any tangible evidence to back your accusations. “65% of Exxon refinery off the tax rolls” (or roles) “has never been on there”. Saying it once and repeating it later isn’t a source, it’s you repeating unsupported BS. If I say I’m the Pope’s nephew, then repeat it again a page later, does that make me the Pope’s nephew?

If nothing you’ve written is false, it should be easy to back it up. Otherwise, you come across as just another paid TBR shill throwing shite up against the wall hoping weak minded reactionist politicians take the shiny hook.
Posted by LSUgusto
Member since May 2005
19297 posts
Posted on 1/19/19 at 10:23 pm to
Yep.ITEP implemented correctly is a good thing.

Having the parishes scramble to create their own systems is hurting us statewide, especially as it's being badly implemented in places like Orleans, East Baton Rouge, and Jefferson parishes.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 1/19/19 at 10:28 pm to
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If nothing you’ve written is false, it should be easy to back it up. Otherwise, you come across as just another paid TBR shill throwing shite up against the wall hoping weak minded reactionist politicians take the shiny hook.


One of the applications ExxonMobil had denied was for maintenance on one of the properties. It was maintenance they had already actually completed, and it provided no new jobs, yet it was approved by ITEP.

Companies are routinely getting approved for new 10 year exemptions on existing property due to maintenance. That's a fact.
Posted by Icansee4miles
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Member since Jan 2007
31884 posts
Posted on 1/19/19 at 10:36 pm to
It was already completed because it’s taken EBR over two years of arguing over how to implement ITEP (or not) after JBE dumped it all back on the locals as soon as he took office. Meanwhile, surrounding parishes have continued to approve without debate, but then again, they don’t have paid out of state rabble rousers stirring the pot and generally smarter people running other local government than SWB and our Metro Council. My Metro Councilman hasn’t attended a meeting in months, I suppose he’s been too busy handling his boss’s lawsuit against E Eric and renting trucks for him to climb on top of.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 1/19/19 at 10:49 pm to
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It was already completed because it’s taken EBR over two years of arguing over how to implement ITEP (or not) after JBE dumped it all back on the locals as soon as he took office.


I get that, but it was essentially a capital investment to maintain the status quo, with no new jobs, and it got the rubber stamp approval.

I think EBR made a poor choice in the other project, but denying this one was understandable. ITEP is abused, no doubt, and now some local governments are out to get revenge. It's ridiculous in both cases.
This post was edited on 1/19/19 at 10:50 pm
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 1/19/19 at 10:53 pm to
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Louisiana is doing a helluva lot better than 90% of the country.


Okay, this made me raise an eye brow.
Posted by topdollarbill
Shenandoah, LA
Member since Mar 2013
211 posts
Posted on 1/19/19 at 11:01 pm to
Break out your handy dandy calculator and do the math.

EBR Assessors website is your friend.

I know you wanna be right. I know it's easy to just regurgitate the talking points that you hear around town. Stop being a NPC and do your own actual research. If you want to have a big boy conversation, don't come with that NPC bullshite to me.

You may disagree with my OPINION on ITEP, and that's all good. But the math is ~2.2MMM in overall value, with only 711MM on the tax rolls.

If my math is wrong on Exxon and the many of the other manufacturing facilities I've looked into on Assessors website, I'd gladly defend the program instead of criticize it, but math gunna math.
This post was edited on 1/19/19 at 11:51 pm
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