re: IL couple still haven't gotten truck and money stolen by cops back in 2012

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Those drugs were not taken by your kids or my kids and that money was not used to finance the cartels so yea it did hurt them, especially the local dealers who didn't have a ton of money or drugs to work with anyway.

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Come on dude, you don't really believe that nonsense. You seem like a pretty smart guy, you should know better. It stopped nothing. This idea that these seizures make any notable dent in the flow of drugs is a crazy one. No drug bust in the history of ever has slowed the drug trade. Never. In fact, the war on drugs is so stupid that drugs are more available now than they have ever been.

Pablo Escobar made $60,000,000 a day and he wasn't even the most wealthy of the drug lords.

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I guess you are missing the point

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No you are missing the point. Civil asset forfeiture is misused on a daily basis in this country. It is a bad law that is being used to prey on innocent Americans.

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I did hurt our local dealers though and we did slow down the trade

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You are completely delusional if you believe what you are saying. I can assure you, you slowed nothing. Drugs can not even be kept out of maximum security prison, yet you think that by jamming up people over drugs did some kind of good? No, just no. Your zeal is not measure of your success and yet people, cops specifically, wonder why there is a growing distrust for law enforcement.

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Will it stop? No, we are facing a supply and demand situation. Until that is fixed we won't ever stop dope heads.

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Dope heads? Who is more of a criminal, the consenting adult drug user or the grown man lobbing insults and ruining peoples lives in the name of some kind of imperial war on drugs. The whole damn thing is retarded.

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I don't see it slowing down because we have a very entitled youth that wants everything

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Spoken like a true cop. Or maybe the parent of a troubled kid. Why try and point the blame at the people who think your rules are stupid rather than look in the mirror and realize that maybe, just maybe, you were wrong all along. Entitled youth? That's a bit of a stretch, people are just sick and tired of being told what they can and can not do. It's not just drugs, it's a long list of laws that were made to fit someones personal agenda.

I hope it never happens to you. The idea that a fricking cop can make the decision to seize assets based on a hunch is patently absurd. Even if they know it's from a drug deal they should still be afforded the same protection under the 4th amendment as everyone else. You don't get to take everything and then wait for a judge to decide if you were correct in your assumptions.

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Doesnt matter if its drugs or anything else. When you affect supply, it hurts those who demand whatever product they want

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I agree with this, except no police department in the history of police departments has ever made a bust big enough to slow the flow of drugs for more than a few days. What the guy is saying is ignorant.

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BTW, while he made an obscene amount of money, Escobar didn't make that a day.

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Oh yes me most certainly did.

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During the height of its operations, the cartel brought in more than $60 million per day (making roughly $22 billion in a year). Smuggling fifteen tons of cocaine per day, worth more than half a billion dollars, into the United States, the operation spent $1000 per week purchasing rubber bands to wrap the stacks of cash, storing most of it in their warehouses. Ten percent had to be written off per year because of "spoilage" by rats that crept in at night and nibbled on the hundred dollar bills.[8]

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The Accountant's Story: Inside the Violent World of the Medellín Cartel.

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Pablo Escobar brought in an estimated $420 million a week in revenue,

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LINK

Illinois has a terrible government. I have had two cases where CDL drivers who had never had any issue in Illinois were flagged. When they call, it breaks down to "pay $2500 and the flag will be lifted." They have an appeal system, but it never works. I had to go to court to force Louisiana to give them back their license.

One flag was for a Virginia ticket that was unpaid.

It is a shakedown.

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Are you ok with police, who have ZERO legal training, making this call on the side of the road? Why even bother having a court system, just let the cops decide.

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That's not how it works. If money is seized an arrest must be made. The d.a. Decides whether to go forward with the case or not. If an unlawful arrest and seizure are conducted the liability is severe as well as the monetary penalties. Don't drink the cool-aid.

I'd much rather have drug money on the streets than victims of theft. It's past the time to end civil forfeiture.

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That's not how it works. If money is seized an arrest must be made.

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Umm, no.

It gets worse, and the amounts can be pretty small:

The Washington Post analyzed 400 seizures in 17 states which were examples of equitable sharing arrangements.[25] Police stop motorists under the pretext of a minor traffic infraction, and "analyze" the intentions of motorists by assessing nervousness, and request permission to search the vehicle without a warrant; however, of the 400 seizures studied by the Washington Post, police did not make any arrests.[25]