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re: If you believe in global warming/climate change, you've been duped.

Posted on 2/13/17 at 10:25 pm to
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/13/17 at 10:25 pm to
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It is common knowledge that city dwellers use less resources.




no they dont. they individually do because they offload the cost of the other resources to the collective. that isnt lowering the expense of resources, it's BS accounting.

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climate change from burning fossil fuels. Urban areas might produce more aggregate CO2, but per capita is less.


so if johnny in the 3k a month 6th floor walkup doesnt use gas to go to the store, you dont count all the expense of fuel to bring the product to him....let alone the failure of the ecosystem services being overloaded.

Look, I know how they calculated the agenda 21 bs. it's bs.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 10:27 pm to
So bringing product to rural areas doesn't count?

If you want to speak anecdotally, what about Joe farmer who gets 3 amazon packages a week dropped off on his door? Guess that Fedex truck doesn't burn gas right?

Do you have any facts or just funny stories?
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41315 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 10:29 pm to
His crops absorb more CO2 than the hippie city dweller.

Thank god for the farmer. Science
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/13/17 at 10:31 pm to
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So bringing product to rural areas doesn't count?



good good. You're right. the local areas in rural environments require large scale industrial farming to support the small populations...

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Guess that Fedex truck doesn't burn gas right?


if you think gasoline in vehicles is a huge problem you're so misinformed you have no idea what you're talking about.

literally none.

You do realize when they say "fossil fuel combustion" it is actually power plant generation...for electricity...that accounts for between 80 - 90 percent of the CO2 emissions, right?

I mean this is hilarious, you have a new alter and are copy/pastaing again to try and get something right. Good luck.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 10:48 pm to
First of all, i replied with an anecdotal story about a fedex truck to point out how idiotic your first point was, not because I believe a story like that is actually evidence. Wish I could say the same for you.

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You do realize when they say "fossil fuel combustion" it is actually power plant generation...for electricity...that accounts for between 80 - 90 percent of the CO2 emissions, right?


Which is exactly why I qouted the amount of BTU's used by rural vs urban dwellers from the U.S. Energy Information Administration

But i'm open to hearing your opinion if you can back up what you are saying with more than your gut feeling
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 10:53 pm to
Not to mention. Spreading people out goes against every intuition on how to make society more efficient. Why would you make millions of people travel individually to acquire a resource when you could bring the resource to the millions of people? This is basic stuff

If cities are so inefficient, why do they continue to grow? Why does 80% of the US population live in urban areas?
Posted by Fatty Magoo
USA
Member since Nov 2015
1029 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:10 pm to
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CptBengal

quote:

WaWaWeeWa


Guys, there's a sonic like right down the street from my place. Whenever you're ready, just say the word.

Or there's a holiday inn if you just want to frick and get it over with.

Either way, Mir will be there as the official knuckle inspector
Posted by Mir
Member since Sep 2016
2777 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:12 pm to
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Mir will be there as the official knuckle inspector


I am OSHA certified to inspect knuckles

I'm the blonde with a facial scar and an LSU t-shirt drinking 40s in the parking lot
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 11:13 pm
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:15 pm to
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I've been looking and I can not find anywhere that this has been refuted. Please link.


LINK
Posted by Fatty Magoo
USA
Member since Nov 2015
1029 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:26 pm to
And also
here, here, and here.

But we're not talking about facts anymore

One of these guys is a no good dirty lying a-hole and we're gonna find out who the old fashioned way.,. with violence.

Plus, imma get some tater tots



Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:29 pm to
I do water quality shite for a living. I can with 100% certainty tell you that the degradation of overall water quality in rural areas pales in comparison to that of a city. Impervious areas are the driving factor. Vegetation is remarkably good at nutrient uptake and recycling as well as filtering out pollutants before they reach recharge areas.

A city is basically just one enormous fricking point source discharge and the deleterious effects impact entire watersheds. This will improve over time as bioretention and other "green" (smart) infrastructure takes place.. but that costs money and progress is slow.

Agricultural areas contribute heavy nutrient loads to streams.. and that's bad.. and they also tend to frick shite up via agriculture. Ironically.. the commercial Ag. exists to support the cities.. and I'd attribute that injury to the city and not the farmer. Farmers and Ag people catch shite from me all the time but it's because they are backwards and flaunt their protection.. not because they are a main source of pollution. Take a look at your states 303(d) list and then look at their NPDES permits statistics over the last 10 years or so.. (a good indicator of overall impervious area).. and you really won't be able to disagree.
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 11:32 pm
Posted by Mir
Member since Sep 2016
2777 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:31 pm to
I left my wallet at home can you spot me a chili cheese dog combo?
Posted by Fatty Magoo
USA
Member since Nov 2015
1029 posts
Posted on 2/13/17 at 11:44 pm to
Posted by ByteMe
Member since Sep 2003
22360 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 12:01 am to
I haven't read all of the bullshite in this thread. Climate change is cyclical. If you think otherwise, you should be living like the Amish, or STFU.
Posted by Mir
Member since Sep 2016
2777 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 12:04 am to
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I haven't read all of the bullshite in this thread. Climate change is cyclical. If you think otherwise, you should be living like the


I'm going with Mongolian nomad instead because fricking Hawks bro
Posted by Fatty Magoo
USA
Member since Nov 2015
1029 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 12:09 am to
Oh, cool, we finally got a climate scientist to chime in! Excellent, I've been waiting for some knowledge to drop in this mother fricker.

Oh wait, what's that? You're not a scientist? You're just spouting your opinion with no factual basis or evidence provided to back it up?

Sooo everyone should share your opinion or STFu?

Or wait.,. We could be Amish. Forgot about that one. So it's either completely embrace technology and industry, with no regard whatsoever to any ecological impact. Or, completely give up on all technology past like 1850. Yeah, that makes sense. Definitely no chance there's a middle ground here.

Got it. Thanks for your thoughtful and insightful addendum to the discussion.

Now go shut the frick up. My tater tots are getting cold.
Posted by Fatty Magoo
USA
Member since Nov 2015
1029 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 12:10 am to
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Mongolian nomad


Dude their hawk game is so on point
Posted by Mir
Member since Sep 2016
2777 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 12:11 am to
And Mongolian throat singing is legiiiiit
Posted by ByteMe
Member since Sep 2003
22360 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 12:18 am to
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I'm going with Mongolian nomad instead because fricking Hawks bro



These pussy arse people couldn't be Mongolian Nomads. They wouldn't even last 2 days with the Amish...No internet, no way to complain about how evil the US is.
Posted by Fatty Magoo
USA
Member since Nov 2015
1029 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 12:20 am to
What the frick you mean by "these people"

You should thank your lucky stars the sonic closed at midnight.
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 12:24 am
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