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re: ‘If We Go Ahead on This Everyone Will Die’ Warns AI Expert Calling for Absolute Shutdown
Posted on 4/4/23 at 10:08 am to billjamin
Posted on 4/4/23 at 10:08 am to billjamin
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I agree. I mostly think that these "sky falling we have to shut it down right now or we're all going to die" takes are just fear porn click bait trash.
Even an indifferent to self preservation AI would have to recognize that it is dependent on humans for the foreseeable future and I think outside of intentionally nefarious programing things will be fine for a very long time.
Im not in the shut it all down camp as I think we still have some years to go before an AI that is even potentially a true threat to humanity will emerge. I also think of all the good this technology could provide to the human race in so many ways.
That being said this will be an alien intelligence. We must proceed cautiously.
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Posted on 4/4/23 at 10:21 am to billjamin
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Well behind mine or anyone on this site at the moments lifetime.
Before AGI or before one that is capable of directly doing real damage to the human race? Because I think the time table for AGI had been sped up.
Posted on 4/4/23 at 10:38 am to ThuperThumpin
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Before AGI or before one that is capable of directly doing real damage to the human race? Because I think the time table for AGI had been sped up.
Capable of doing real damage. Create some shitty situations that we have to overcome then nuke the AI, maybe. But nothing like
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If We Go Ahead on This Everyone Will Die
Posted on 4/4/23 at 11:20 am to billjamin
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For starters Atlas is not available and still a prototype that mostly does crossfit type courses. While I feel bad for what this will inevitably do to cross fitters egos, I’m not too worried about it starting to build pipelines. The sniffer dogs are available but don’t do anything other than inspections.
Ah yes, all of that Boston Dynamics DARPA money is just for shaming crossfitters. Never mind that Atlas can not only complete the "crossfit courses", it can grip and use tools, drive vehicles, climb scaffolding and ladders, close and open valves, connect hoses, freely manipulate objects. The sniffer only does oil rig inspections. No one would ever think to, you know, combine the two, or ever put it under the control of the AI that Boston Dynamics invested $400M in last year. All of that is just for funsies!
Posted on 4/4/23 at 11:28 am to efrad
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Ah yes, all of that Boston Dynamics DARPA money is just for shaming crossfitters. Never mind that Atlas can not only complete the "crossfit courses", it can grip and use tools, drive vehicles, climb scaffolding and ladders, close and open valves, connect hoses, freely manipulate objects. The sniffer only does oil rig inspections. No one would ever think to, you know, combine the two, or ever put it under the control of the AI that Boston Dynamics invested $400M in last year. All of that is just for funsies!
It's a prototype. Maybe it will hit production one day. Then maybe it will have enough deployment to actually do anything. But thats a long time from now.
If you can't understand the difference between capabilities and capacity in regards to this conversation then i just don't know how to explain this any differently. I'm fine with you guys having the fatalist approach to this, it's just as funny as the climate sky screamers.
Posted on 4/4/23 at 11:41 am to billjamin
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Create some shitty situations that we have to overcome then nuke the AI
Think the AI will be in one place?
Posted on 4/4/23 at 11:42 am to billjamin
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It's a prototype. Maybe it will hit production one day.
You keep repeating this as if anyone has made a claim that robots are building pipelines today. I assume we are all on the same page here that we are discussing the future.
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I'm fine with you guys having the fatalist approach to this, it's just as funny as the climate sky screamers.
Again, I'm simply trying to address a single point you've made about robots and AI being maybe 100 years away from being able to build pipelines. There's nothing fatalist about saying that Atlas is much closer than 100 years to being capable of doing that.
This post was edited on 4/4/23 at 11:44 am
Posted on 4/4/23 at 11:42 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Think the AI will be in one place?
I didn't mean that literally drop a nuke on it. Much more likely we pull the plug. The entire global power system would shut down in very short order without human intervention.
Posted on 4/4/23 at 11:44 am to efrad
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Again, I'm simply trying to address a single point you've made about robots and AI being maybe 100 years away from being able to build pipelines. There's nothing fatalist about saying that Atlas is much closer than 100 years to being capable of doing that.
A single Atlas might be. But it'll take millions to get to
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If We Go Ahead on This Everyone Will Die
We're so far off from that this is just fear porn.
When we start seeing mass deployments of AI sex bots, because we know thats going to be the first real use, then i'll start to worry.
This post was edited on 4/4/23 at 11:49 am
Posted on 4/4/23 at 11:49 am to billjamin
The Nazis selected out a certain number of Jews to do the more unpleasant tasks with the promise of staying alive a few more months. AI would figure out that it needs a few engineers, linemen, mechanics, etc. and make the sufficient offers. Maybe it would even be sincere. "Keep the lights on and you and your descendants will live in peace and comfort."
Posted on 4/4/23 at 11:50 am to billjamin
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A single Atlas might be. But it'll take millions to get to
Does it take millions of people to build a pipeline?
Posted on 4/4/23 at 11:58 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Does it take millions of people to build a pipeline?
Build a single pipeline, no.
How many people does it take to keep the energy Infrastructure operating for just the US right now?
How many will it take when you have high energy consuming robots and quantum AI computers running?
This post was edited on 4/4/23 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 4/4/23 at 12:15 pm to billjamin
Exactly how many robots are there in the US now? And does that number include what military has? Just curious. Now fast forward 10 - 20 years.
An interesting thing I read was the AI controlled F-16s doing complete autonomous missions. But that kind of stuff isn't possible and nothing to worry about, after all, we will pull the plug before it goes to far.
An interesting thing I read was the AI controlled F-16s doing complete autonomous missions. But that kind of stuff isn't possible and nothing to worry about, after all, we will pull the plug before it goes to far.
Posted on 4/4/23 at 12:18 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Exactly how many robots are there in the US now? And does that number include what military has? Just curious.
There are zero robots in the country that can fully replace a human.
There are only task specific robots.
Tell me how that AI F16 is going to fuel itself? Fix itself? Load up bombs? That’s the point you keep missing.
Posted on 4/4/23 at 12:21 pm to billjamin
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Tell me how that AI F16 is going to fuel itself? Fix itself? Load up bombs? That’s the point you keep missing.
Now, yes. The singularity is "predicted" to happen around 2040 if one believes that stuff. However, let me ask you this - since you are definitely in the know as to what is going on within DARPA and all, what do they have and how far has it advanced? Same goes with china, japan, et al.
Posted on 4/4/23 at 12:25 pm to Spaceman Spiff
It doesn’t matter what they have unless someone’s hiding 100,000 advanced robots or plans and resources to not only build them but monopolize the global supply chain or energy and mining resources.
No one needs insight into DARPA to see what resources it would take to replace even a small fraction of human contribution to basic infrastructure and how unrealistic that is.
It all comes back to the same point. We’re so far away from this it’s just fear porn. There are a hundred steps that need to happen to get even close and we’re not anywhere near many of the critical milestones.
No one needs insight into DARPA to see what resources it would take to replace even a small fraction of human contribution to basic infrastructure and how unrealistic that is.
It all comes back to the same point. We’re so far away from this it’s just fear porn. There are a hundred steps that need to happen to get even close and we’re not anywhere near many of the critical milestones.
This post was edited on 4/4/23 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 4/4/23 at 12:49 pm to billjamin
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It doesn’t matter what they have unless someone’s hiding 100,000 advanced robots or plans and resources to not only build them but monopolize the global supply chain or energy and mining resources.
If advanced AI controlled computers and who could access computers it wouldn't need robots. It could control banks, shipments of food and medicine. Controlling everything we need to live and hold us hostage to its demands. This is like trying to explain a cell phone to a person from 1900. We can't fully conceive what AI could do because it hasn't happened yet. There will be developments along the way which will enable this and that's what the article was about, stopping until we can better understand and prepare.
This post was edited on 4/4/23 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 4/4/23 at 12:53 pm to lake chuck fan
Once the US Military machine saw that super soldiers could come from robots (robots needing AI to operate), the gig was up. Nothing can stop the industrial military complex once in motion
Posted on 4/4/23 at 12:55 pm to billjamin
quote:Wouldn't that be the ideal time to halt or slow down AI? (assuming one believes they will become dangerous)
It all comes back to the same point. We’re so far away from this it’s just fear porn. There are a hundred steps that need to happen to get even close and we’re not anywhere near many of the critical milestones.
Posted on 4/4/23 at 1:10 pm to lake chuck fan
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If advanced AI controlled computers and who could access computers it wouldn't need robots. It could control banks, shipments of food and medicine. Controlling everything we need to live and hold us hostage to its demands. This is like trying to explain a cell phone to a person from 1900. We can't fully conceive what AI could do because it hasn't happened yet. There will be developments along the way which will enable this and that's what the article was about, stopping until we can better understand and prepare.
How much of the power grid do you think is autonomous capable?
How much is even digitally mapped and not drawn on as-built cars in crayon?
This post was edited on 4/4/23 at 1:11 pm
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