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re: If the entire world attacked the USA...

Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:07 am to
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:07 am to
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What about the people that don't have arms?
Well the South/Texas is fine. Cali is fricked. Don't know about the rest of the southern border states. NE fricked. NW probably okay.

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Would they just rely on the armed citizens or would they attempt to arm themselves?
Either arm or support. Both are valuable. You can't fight long without support.
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If it came down to that the US would implode from within. There would be chaos in all major cities.

I think there would be some major problems in the big cities, as there would be with any large scale catastrophe. I don't know...interesting concept. I wonder if people would be able to still maintain some kind of normal life?
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
28964 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:08 am to
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Regardless of air force and navy advantages, the US would be outmanned roughly 22:1 World wins hands down

No. Many of those are in starving third world countries. How many die once we cut off our exports and quit buying their products and giving them medicine and clean water. shite most of them are in no condition to fight anyway and have diseases that would make them a burden to the military. They'd lose 80% just trying to get here.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:10 am to
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outmanned roughly 22:1

Think about the backwoods shitholes some of those 6.8 are coming from.

I'd take the US at 22:1 no problem. Just going to need a place to stack all the dead globalists.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:11 am to
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If they bring most of their "troops" for the initial attack, I think our military and our population can hold that off. They are also trying to invade us on our homeland.

If they dont bring the majority of their troops here initially, the logistics of getting any sizable force here for a legit attack is next to impossible.



Yes, this is why I added the nuance that they would have to figure out a way to force us to go on the offense and drain us before bringing forward their own offensive. In a way it isn't all too different than what I think Bin Laden's strategy was. They would need to try to force us into sustained fighting accross the world and stretch us thin before even thinking about attacking our homeland.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:12 am to
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No. Many of those are in starving third world countries. How many die once we cut off our exports and quit buying their products and giving them medicine and clean water. shite most of them are in no condition to fight anyway and have diseases that would make them a burden to the military. They'd lose 80% just trying to get here.



80% of the US population would rely on the other 20% to take care of them. We'd lose. I imagine we'd have far more people hiding in highrises than fighting.

While we have many firearms in this country, only 34% of US households own firearms.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
28964 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:13 am to
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Would they just rely on the armed citizens or would they attempt to arm themselves? Either arm or support. Both are valuable. You can't fight long without support.quote:

I could have a well armed small army just with what's in my game room. shite, us rednecks got plenty of toys we'd share. Not to mention all the thermal imaging and night vision we have to PLAY with. How many other countries citizens have access to this kinda shite? Hell, my thermal imaging scope has a range of over a mile. People questioning the firepower and tech available to your average US citizen are extremely uninformed.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:15 am to
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80% of the US population would rely on the other 20% to take care of them. We'd lose. I imagine we'd have far more people hiding in highrises than fighting. While we have many firearms in this country, only 34% of US households own firearms.


THIS is what I'm getting at. I don't think you would see all US citizens rise up as one and fight back. Not in today's society.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:15 am to
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Air and water have never won a war, they have provided support for infantry and armour on strategic and tactical basis, but it always comes down to ground forces to seize, hold, and annihilate.

In a defensive posture, Air and Navy can win (there's nothing to occupy), so there's that. Obviously in an offensive posture, yes you need boots on the ground no matter how much you batter it with bombs.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22282 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:16 am to
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could have a well armed small army just with what's in my game room. shite, us rednecks got plenty of toys we'd share. Not to mention all the thermal imaging and night vision we have to PLAY with. How many other countries citizens have access to this kinda shite? Hell, my thermal imaging scope has a range of over a mile. People questioning the firepower and tech available to your average US citizen are extremely uninformed.


If you have a thermal imaging scope then you are no where near an average US citizen. The average US citizen likely doesn't own a gun.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281928 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:17 am to
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. I don't think you would see all US citizens rise up as one and fight back. Not in today's society


I think most would roll over.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
28964 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:17 am to
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80% of the US population would rely on the other 20% to take care of them. We'd lose. I imagine we'd have far more people hiding in highrises than fighting.

I think a large number would surprise you. We'd have plenty of shitbags, but we'd no longer be supporting them. They'd have to pitch in or GTFO. Many folks will be as lazy as you allow them, but when push comes to shove will get off their asses and do what it takes to get by.
Posted by Buddy Garrity
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:18 am to
who's going to let me borrow some guns when this shite happens?
Posted by KCM0Tiger
Kansas City, MISSOURI
Member since Nov 2011
16307 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:18 am to
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Think about the backwoods shitholes some of those 6.8 are coming from. I'd take the US at 22:1 no problem. Just going to need a place to stack all the dead globalists.


Even if you take the world's poor people who are unfit for battle, come from shitholes, etc out of the equation, I'd be pretty sure in saying that the rest of the world put together has near as many military personnel as the US has citizens/military combined. The other 6.5 billion non-military "world" citizens are just bonus.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 12:20 am
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
28964 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:19 am to
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If you have a thermal imaging scope then you are no where near an average US citizen. The average US citizen likely doesn't own a gun.

No, but it is available to them. And I bet a shite load would be investing in some force multipliers knowing the rest of the world was about to try and push our shite in. And, I'd share.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281928 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:20 am to
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I think a large number would surprise you. We'd have plenty of shitbags, but we'd no longer be supporting them. They'd have to pitch in or GTFO. Many folks will be as lazy as you allow them, but when push comes to shove will get off their asses and do what it takes to get by.



I honestly think we've passed the tipping point, and the majority of folks would easily rather live under some oppressive foreign govt. than what we have, if it meant them actually putting their lives on the line.

There would be pockets of fierce resistance, but the cities would roll over. Maybe if you could convince them that their cell service and HD television would no longer be available, some participation would increase.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:21 am to
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People questioning the firepower and tech available to your average US citizen are extremely uninformed.


Well...yeah. With some of these people there's this specter of the average US gunowner as some stumblebum shitbag. I think it's a notion with liberal roots.

Anyway, so some troop from whereever is going to outgun someone who has shot guns their entire lives and is defending land they've lived on their whole lives???
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22282 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:22 am to
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No, but it is available to them. And I bet a shite load would be investing in some force multipliers knowing the rest of the world was about to try and push our shite in. And, I'd share.


Do you realize the price these already expensive weapons would skyrocket to? The few that would still be manufactured and sold to the public would seriously be worth their weight in gold. This alone, in my opinion, would cause citizens to fear their neighbor more than the forces invading. It would essentially be an every man for himself arms race. Those without arms when this fiasco begins would be SOL and forced to try to obtain arms some way some how.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:23 am to
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who's going to let me borrow some guns when this shite happens?

I got you, assuming you pass a brief training session.
Posted by Bushmaster
19th Hole
Member since Oct 2008
39926 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:23 am to
We could put the liberals and welfare queens out front as cannon fodder.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
28964 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:23 am to
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honestly think we've passed the tipping point, and the majority of folks would easily rather live under some oppressive foreign govt. than what we have, if it meant them actually putting their lives on the line.

The world's best weapon would be free shite. But we could bribe their troops with Marlboro's, levi's, coca cola and porn.
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