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re: If the entire world attacked the USA...

Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:23 am to
Posted by LSU fan 246
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:23 am to
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80% of the US population would rely on the other 20% to take care of them. We'd lose. I imagine we'd have far more people hiding in highrises than fighting.


You are glossing over the aspect of them even getting here and preparing for a war on our turf.

Getting them to North America and sustaining them until war time would be a monumental task within itself.

Then you have to start attacking a foreign land with the best military in the world who has been waiting for you. They wont have the firepower on the ground like we will have. Getting troops here is one thing, getting all the necessary firearms and military equipment here to fight us is another.
Posted by LaFlyer
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:23 am to
2013 data from Center for Strategic and International Studies,[6][74] otherwise where noted.


Rank

Country

Fighters

Bombers

Attack

Total

1 USA USAF US Navy 3,043 171 1,185 4,399

2 Russia Russian Air Force Russian Naval Aviation 1,264 195 1,267 2,726
3 China 1,130 118 370 1,618
4 India[75] 392 (not specified) 258 654
5 North Korea 899 60 211 1,170
6 Pakistan 600 150 200 950
7 United Kingdom (Royal Air Force) 401[citation needed] 50 209 660
8 Egypt 356 27 215 598
9 Israel 233 10 264 507
10 South Korea 64 60 345 469

United States versus the world in numbers and with signifigant advantage in technology as well. Also many of the belligerent nations operate US made aircraft with support by US contractors with US parts. Look for quick attrition merely by inability to service and supply.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:26 am to
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Even if you take the world's poor people who are unfit for battle, come from shitholes, etc out of the equation, I'd be pretty sure in saying that the rest of the world put together has near as many military personnel as the US has citizens/military combined. The other 6.5 billion non-military "world" citizens are just bonus.
And I'm telling you the "military personnel" of many of these countries would stack up about even or less than your average US non-mil gunowner. The non-mil world citizens would be human berms.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:27 am to
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You are glossing over the aspect of them even getting here and preparing for a war on our turf.


Not really. The premise is the "whole world" is attacking he US and they have a year to prepare, as do we
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. getting all the necessary firearms and military equipment here to fight us is another.


A year is adequate time to put together a supply chain.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 12:28 am
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:28 am to
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Do you realize the price these already expensive weapons would skyrocket to? The few that would still be manufactured and sold to the public would seriously be worth their weight in gold.
Why? It's not as if the govt/military doesn't have everything they need already, give or take.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:29 am to
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Also many of the belligerent nations operate US made aircraft with support by US contractors with US parts. Look for quick attrition merely by inability to service and supply.




Many of the world's nations wouldnt even be able to directly participate. I guess they could put some people and supplies on some merchant ships and ship them to Mexico and Canada or just try and make supplies for the participating countries.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:30 am to
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We could put the liberals and welfare queens out front as cannon fodder.


Brother, [looks around first] they ain't making it that long.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:30 am to
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The premise is the "whole world" is attacking he US and they have a year to prepare, as do we.


How would they get here?

They have to come to us
Posted by KCM0Tiger
Kansas City, MISSOURI
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:30 am to
This link would probably be of use assuming it hasn't already been posted. LINK

Does anyone honestly believe the USA could defeat a team of countries 2-10 in that list, let alone the rest of the world too? There needn't be much analysis, it's an absurd thought to entertain.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:31 am to
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You are glossing over the aspect of them even getting here and preparing for a war on our turf.

Getting them to North America and sustaining them until war time would be a monumental task within itself.
I am assuming that we are letting those issues pass for the sake of discussion (I am).
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22282 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:34 am to
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Why? It's not as if the govt/military doesn't have everything they need already, give or take.


Do you remember the spike in firearm and ammunition prices after Sandy Hook? That was just because there was a fear that there MIGHT be gun control legislation.

As for the us having all the supplies they need, for a war of this magnitude, I think the us would attempt to stockpile as much firepower and ammo as possible creating a scarcity of available firearms and ammo to the general public.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
28964 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:35 am to
And to those mentioning infighting and chaos here, what countries are going to send all their troops and leave their home countries defenseless? Iran or Iraq? Hell no, Israel would take that shite. Any of the African nations? China? Russia? Where are these troops going to come from. They still have to defend themselves from each other. And they still have to have law enforcement and means of production back home.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:35 am to
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Not really. The premise is the "whole world" is attacking he US and they have a year to prepare, as do we



Getting the amount of troops to Canada and Mexico that people are talking about is not really feasible. Getting adequate military supplies there to that equation is also a tough task. Then you have to house, feed, and take care of this billion plus person army.

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A year is adequate time to put together a supply chain.



and a year that we have to prepare to disrupt this supply chain. After the war starts, it would be hard for merchant ships to get in and out of Canada/Mexico with us on their asses.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
28964 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:37 am to
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ammo as possible creating a scarcity of available firearms and ammo to the general public.

There are plenty of guns and ammo to go around. The good thing about you scenario is that it would keep guns and weapons out of the hands that don't need them. Us gun owners would gladly share with those in need of one if they were worthy of it.
Posted by LaFlyer
Member since Oct 2012
1043 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:39 am to
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USMCTiger03
If the entire world attacked the USA...quote:Air and water have never won a war, they have provided support for infantry and armour on strategic and tactical basis, but it always comes down to ground forces to seize, hold, and annihilate.

In a defensive posture, Air and Navy can win (there's nothing to occupy), so there's that


I disagree on the argument of airpower as a winner of anything ever. Strategic bombing(non nuclear) has never in the history of war ever won. It could be argued that it is in fact a costly failure that drains resources of the nation doing the bombing in manpower and equipment,(developing the B29 during WWII was only second in cost to the Manhattan project) while actually hardening the resolve of the country being bombed. i.e. The Blitz and North Vietnam. The US and Britain bombed Germany night and day from Mid 1942 to 1945 with no end in sight until June of 1944 when the Allies attacked from the west and Russia continued advance from the east.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 12:41 am
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:40 am to
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Does anyone honestly believe the USA could defeat a team of countries 2-10 in that list,


Yes because the hypothetical is them attacking us. We arent extending ourselves out to the world.

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let alone the rest of the world too?


Most of the world would be completely useless in this war.

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There needn't be much analysis, it's an absurd thought to entertain.



Its absurd that you seem to think we would just get destroyed in this war
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:40 am to
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Getting the amount of troops to Canada and Mexico that people are talking about is not really feasible. Getting adequate military supplies there to that equation is also a tough task. Then you have to house, feed, and take care of this billion plus person army.



I think some folks are just dismissing the sheer numbers of men and hardware in the "rest of the world." Russia, China GBR, Germany alone could overwhelm the US.

It's insane to believe the US could withstand that kind of onslaught. They have the rest of the world to store materials and send wave after wave after wave. The US could put up a good fight, but it would come down to pockets of resistance and how much resolve the average citizen has.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22282 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:42 am to
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he good thing about you scenario is that it would keep guns and weapons out of the hands that don't need them.


You think those people will just accept that they don't have a way to defend themselves and rely on the minority of armed citizens to do it for them? Or do you think those people may try to obtain arms from somewhere most likely by force? This is the exact problem. There would be chaos, looting, a civil war between the haves and the have nots.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:42 am to
This would be a giant stalemate, the world would be unable to successfully invade the US but the US could not conquer the world either. Most of the worlds population would have to stay home to defend their homeland from the US counter attacks and feed/supply their armies. For example if China sent ts entire armed force to mexico they would have to be able to import ~1 million tons of supplies and food A DAY this is no small feat. While that giant army is starving to death and running out of ammunition fighting the gringos we would be instigating a revolution at home they would be unable to defend. This is just one scenerio with one country. This would be a lose lose for both sides and would end with the world troops withdrawing unable to conquer the US.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281934 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:43 am to
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Its absurd that you seem to think we would just get destroyed in this war



I don't see a slaughter, but a very long drawn out war where the "rest of the world" has much more resources to draw upon.
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