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re: How to stop a moose attack like a boss
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:11 am to Yat27
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:11 am to Yat27
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I don't think the heart condition is necessarily relevant either, but I think the comment about him staying home is BS. Being afraid of dying is not a good reason to stop living.
Adrenaline can do serious damage if you have a "life-threatening" heart condition. Not sure if that's true or not but just throwing it out there.
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Maybe his son was young. I'd assume his son is grown if he is 51. Then again, I was 9 when my dad was that age.
I was 4 when my dad was 51. I also don't hear another sled, it's possible his son was sitting behind him.
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Like I said, it sure seems like this situation could have been avoided, but I'm not going to thrown stones if I don't really know the whole story.
It definitely could have been avoided, I just think the guy had little experience with both snowmobiles and moose. I don't think he purposely moved toward it. He tried to gun the engine to make noise and, being that he's on a fricking snowmobile, didn't have good traction and jolted forward a little.
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I'm assuming he's not in a dangerous neighborhood, so why carry the gun to begin with?
Don't do too many outdoors activities I'm assuming? Whenever going into the woods you should have a gun, you never know what might happen. It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
Snowmobile trails can be very remote, sometimes 100+ miles from civilization. Judging by the trail though, it looks well-used. If he didn't go back to finish it off and dress it I'd be willing to bet someone came along not too long after and handled it.
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 12:27 am
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:17 am to OMLandshark
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I do agree with this. I would have just stayed still, and see what the moose would have done. If it moves closer to me, I shout at it. If it moves even closer, I shoot the gun above my head. If it gets even closer, well I'm not taking my chances, and the moose would die. He was just an idiot for trying to get closer to the moose.
Many times on roads if you move toward them they will move enough to let you by. Maybe this was his thinking. Being in an unprotected snowmachine i is a much different experience than being in a car.
The moose is the second largest land mammal in N. America. The old saying in Ak is "assume every moose is a serial killer.
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"The best practice around moose is to go away around a moose. Assume every moose is a serial killer standing in the middle of the trail with a loaded gun," said Coltrane, urging people to treat them with more respect.
In deep snow, it's not always possible to go way around a moose and you have to wait it out.
I'll bet people would think differently if this were a bear, but moose wound more people in Ak than both black and brown bear combined.
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 12:20 am
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:19 am to Corkfather
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If he didn't go back to finish it off and dress it I'd be willing to bet someone came along not too long after and handled it.
They usually donate these kind of kills to charity. You put your charity on a register and when it's your turn, you come dress and carry off the meat.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:23 am to RogerTheShrubber
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They usually donate these kind of kills to charity. You put your charity on a register and when it's your turn, you come dress and carry off the meat.
Really? That's bad arse, I'm gonna have to check that out in my area.
Also, a lot of trails are maintained and managed by different clubs. The good ones grade the trails every night or morning, sometimes more often. The land is usually donated during the winter by the local landowners and they usually keep a pretty good eye on their property as well.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:26 am to RogerTheShrubber
Ignorant people think moose are timid like deer. This couldn't be further from the truth.
Roger is saying what anyone from Canada or Alaska will tell you. They're aggressive, ornery nuisance animals. They're assholes and they're enormous. You don't frick around. You can't really blame this guy.
Roger is saying what anyone from Canada or Alaska will tell you. They're aggressive, ornery nuisance animals. They're assholes and they're enormous. You don't frick around. You can't really blame this guy.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:33 am to Corkfather
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Really? That's bad arse, I'm gonna have to check that out in my area.
Yep. I did some volunteer work (ok, it was really community work service) for the Food Bank in Palmer, Ak. I had the unfortunate job of getting a 2 am call to go help remove and dress a moose that got hit by a car on the Glenn Hwy.
It's now something inmates at one of the jails in the Mat-Su is doing for train killed moose.
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ANCHORAGE — Alaska inmates at a prison work farm are taking on a new assignment: butchering the meat of moose struck by trains each winter along a 68-mile stretch of track.
The meat will be processed by prisoners at the Point MacKenzie Correctional Farm, then distributed to soup kitchens and other charities serving the needy, under the joint effort by the state Department of Corrections, Alaska
Railroad and Food Bank of Alaska
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But they still occur. Last year, trains killed 183 moose statewide. Of those, 63 were in the new project corridor.
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The food bank already receives cabbage, broccoli, zucchini, radishes and other fresh produce grown at Point MacKenzie. So striking up a deal for meat was a natural, officials said. Moose and other wild game are not subject to state or federal inspection.
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Also, a lot of trails are maintained and managed by different clubs. The good ones grade the trails every night or morning, sometimes more often. The land is usually donated during the winter by the local landowners and they usually keep a pretty good eye on their property as well.
Yeah, it's law you have to report a self defense kill or road kill to the AST or local PD. They don't go to waste.
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 12:36 am
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:34 am to genro
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They're assholes
Best way of explaining moose behavior. I've gotten closer to bears to take photos than I'll ever willingly approach a moose.
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 12:41 am
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
If it was a gator, no one would be saying anything, and gators are actually supposed to be protected.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:38 am to genro
I hope no one in this thread thinks that moose are timid. My only point is that the guy initially made a mistake. Now, I don't expect him to pay the mistake with his life or well being, but his encounter could have more than likely been avoided.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:40 am to genro
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If it was a gator, no one would be saying anything, and gators are actually supposed to be protected.
I agree.
I'm not condoning everything the guy did, but I can't say what I would do in his situation, or even what he was thinking. In the end, I think he did what he had to do though.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:40 am to genro
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Roger is saying what anyone from Canada or Alaska will tell you. They're aggressive, ornery nuisance animals. They're assholes and they're enormous. You don't frick around. You can't really blame this guy.
I knew they weren't like deer before this thread, just never thought of them as overly aggressive. Thought they were really lazy fricking animals that didn't really give a frick about anything. Never thought of them as docile, but just an animal that really didn't care.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:45 am to OMLandshark
They're very protective and territorial.
When moose attack
Moose attacks truck
Vt. man gets charged
When moose attack
Moose attacks truck
Vt. man gets charged
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 12:48 am
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:46 am to Placebeaux
....it.s a fricking moose. Amazing how half you worry about an animal you will never see
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
Yeah, they don't call them Bull Moose for nothing. Besides, you don't survive in the wilderness unless you're a bad mammer jammer.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:47 am to OMLandshark
Yeah and you can't really be blamed for thinking that. I actually don't mean ignorant as an insult and I wish it wasn't.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:48 am to SabiDojo
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Yeah, they don't call them Bull Moose for nothing. Besides, you don't survive in the wilderness unless you're a bad mammer jammer.
Moose are badass. Combine that with a bad temper, and you've got problems.
We don't have urban moose in JNU. They live out in some valleys further out the road. Do have urban bears though.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:51 am to genro
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If it was a gator, no one would be saying anything
They'd still be bitching because no one ate it. They'd also forget to mention the fact that alligators aren't harvested for their meat, they're harvested for their hides; the meat is just lagniappe. They'd also forget that people farm alligators in large numbers strictly for the purpose of harvesting the hide, much of the meat goes to waste.
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gators are actually supposed to be protected.
Really? LDWF is opening up a refuge to hunters... LINK
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I hope no one in this thread thinks that moose are timid.
That's exactly what they think. If it had been a whitetail deer or any other animal they see regularly they wouldn't have thought twice about it, probably would've killed it just because they had an excuse.
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My only point is that the guy initially made a mistake. Now, I don't expect him to pay the mistake with his life or well being, but his encounter could have more than likely been avoided.
Exactly, he made a mistake that could have been avoided. Unfortunately for the moose, it wasn't.
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 12:57 am
Posted on 2/28/14 at 12:55 am to Corkfather
Yes and there have been limited hunts here in Alabama as well.
It's still on the endangered list, albeit "least concern". And there's no open season like there is for deer, turkey, etc etc
It's still on the endangered list, albeit "least concern". And there's no open season like there is for deer, turkey, etc etc
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:00 am to genro
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t's still on the endangered list, albeit "least concern".
You're looking at conservation status. The endangered species are a subsection of that, but that's not referring to the different groups within the endangered species. Pretty much every animal, reptile, bird, etc. known to us has a conservation status.
They "endangered species" would be those listed as vunerable, endangered, or critically endangered and anything lower.
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 1:02 am
Posted on 2/28/14 at 1:11 am to Corkfather
Look man, I'm ignorant of how it's enforced in Louisiana. But if you're in north Florida or south Alabama and you kill one, it's best not let a cop or a game warden or a ranger find out. You can trust me several times over on that one.
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