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re: How do you feel about spanking children?

Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:57 pm to
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 5:57 pm to
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So when I give my son a high five or fist bump, I am hitting my kid?


THAT is hyperbole!

You're talking about mutually affectionate physical contact.

Spanking is imposed on the child against their will. And if the kid had the means to shut you down, they would. Unless they're a masochist.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:03 pm to
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THAT is hyperbole!
Which was the point.
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:04 pm to
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Spanking teaches kids that hitting is an acceptable response to anger. Showing the next generation how to manage rage without violence is a critical life skill.


I agree with you. I'm sure there are some parents with self-control that spank their kids mildly and rarely, and it may work for some of them, but I think there are better ways.
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:05 pm to
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Spanking is imposed on the child against their will


Any punishment you enforce upon your child is against their will.
Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:07 pm to
I say beat that arse.

However, I don't have children so...
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:09 pm to
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Which was the point.


There really was no point. You were the only one being hyperbolic.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:09 pm to
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Spanking is imposed on the child against their will. And if the kid had the means to shut you down, they would.
Do you even understand the parent child relationship. It is a series of differing ways in which parents make children do things against the child's will. Eating nutritious food, getting sleep, good hygiene, potty training, not running in the street, etc.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 6:10 pm
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54838 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:10 pm to
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There really was no point. You were the only one being hyperbolic.
As a mirror to the ridiculous hyperbole being used by the poster to whom I was responding.
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:11 pm to
As a true father of a real child (not a made up one or "when I have kids" one) - I've popped my son on the leg with an open hand, and made him sit in time out a few times. I absolutely hate it, but it is my job as a parent to make sure he knows what is acceptable behavior and what is not.

What is worse are the parents who pay no attention whatsoever to their children, nor do they correct them. I see the finished product of those types in my son's daycare class. Perhaps those type parents should be the ones who are scrutinized rather than the parents that care but correct their children in a way that you don't approve of.
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:15 pm to
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Do you even understand the parent child relationship



LOL at these hypothetical parents practicing their perfect methods in this utopian parent-child dreamland filled with unicorns and rational, obedient children.
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:16 pm to
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Do you even understand the parent child relationship. It is a series of differing ways in which parents make children do things against the child's will. Eating nutritious food, getting sleep, good hygiene, potty training, not running in the street, etc.

And what happens is those parents that don't realize that are ready to pull their fricking hair out of their head when they wake up with a little monster that they created at 15/16 years old. I can cite dozens of examples of people I'm friends with and/or associate with who are like that. And every last one of them will try to make it out as though the kid is just a "little a-hole". As if he was walking around one day and spontaneously just became an a-hole. No, you are the one that fathered that child, and you created the monster.
Posted by sugar71
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Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:16 pm to
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I'm against it.

I was spanked as a child by my father, often in lieu of sufficient explanation/dialogue. The spanking instilled fear in me, often in lieu of true understanding of the lesson my father desired to convey.


Agree. I'm not against a light tap on the hand of a toddler who insists on putting objects in an electric outlet, reaching for boiling food on stove,etc............


But at a certain age (grade school) & older especially I believe in punishing bad behavior by taking things of value away(visiting friends, toys, video games, television,driving privileges ,etc....) is more effective/positive long term than simply BEATING kids into submission.


Denial of certain privileges for bad behavior & rewarding good behavior .

Beating kids into submission sometimes only fosters the attitude that 'beating' someone is the way to resolve issues with others(even supposed loved ones)..


Posted by TheDoc
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:17 pm to
So what happens when you get a call from school that your kid hit another kid?

Do you hit them again?

How does that work?

You don't think that sends some mixed signals to a kid?
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
5176 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:20 pm to
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Do you even understand the parent child relationship. It is a series of differing ways in which parents make children do things against the child's will. Eating nutritious food, getting sleep, good hygiene, potty training, not running in the street, etc.


You seem to be prone to petulance yourself. Maybe someone needs to smack you around a little bit?

Obviously I understand what you've said. I just think there are better ways to deal with these things than hitting a kid.

My main question is - The times when you feel like you must spank the child, can the problem be addressed by reexamining the foundational relationship to try to figure out what led to the behavior?

If so, maybe that makes spanking unnecessary.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54838 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:20 pm to
I agree that other forms of punishment are often/usually, but not always the best option. I also agree that as the child gains more and more ability to reason and understand, spanking becomes an obsolete tool on the parents tool belt of discipline.
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
5176 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:21 pm to
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As a mirror to the ridiculous hyperbole being used by the poster to whom I was responding.



I know that's what you were trying to do, but you weren't responding to hyperbole.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54838 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:23 pm to
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You seem to be prone to petulance yourself. Maybe someone needs to smack you around a little bit?
Maybe. Of course we are now back to equating loving discipline oriented spanking with smacking kids around and so the cycle of misunderstanding starts again.
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:26 pm to
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So what happens when you get a call from school that your kid hit another kid?

My son is a bit young to honestly answer that question with personal experience. He's still in daycare.

But that being said, there is a little bully in his daycare class that walks up to him and will bite him/punch him throughout the day. I wish my son was old enough to where I could tell him what to do to defend himself. The daycare workers are too scared and/or lazy to handle the situation the way they should handle it.

ETA: in that type of scenario, if the school called me and said my son hit a student who was bullying him, I'd have no issue with that. I would probably tell the teacher it happened because of their negligence to handle the situation way before it escalated to that.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 6:30 pm
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:31 pm to
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The daycare workers are too scared and/or lazy to handle the situation the way they should handle it.


sounds like i'd be finding a new daycare...

goodluck
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 6:34 pm to
nah If my parents could spank someone as perfect as me, I can spank my kids
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