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re: How do you feel about spanking children?

Posted on 1/24/14 at 3:51 pm to
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 3:51 pm to
if your young child were reaching for your bottle of restoril with one hand and your glass of whiskey with the other, you wouldn't swat their hand?

Posted by Southern Farmer
Greenville, MS
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 3:53 pm to
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if your young child were reaching for your bottle of restoril with one hand and your glass of whiskey with the other, you wouldn't swat their hand?


Doesn't fit the definition of spanking as a behavioral device. In this case, it is a preventive measure to stop him from consuming poison. But, on a technicality-- it would be a swat on the hand, I suppose. I don't think it counts tho.
Posted by Buddy Garrity
Member since Mar 2013
4224 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 3:53 pm to
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I'd ever go so far to say that never spanking your child is pretty close to neglect.

oh please.

i was never spanked and my parents only raised their voice at me a handful of times and i was more well behaved than 95% of kids.
Posted by Buddy Garrity
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 3:54 pm to
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I'm talking about a swat on the hand or backside.
i don't think thats what thedoc means by spanking
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 3:55 pm to
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oh please.

i was never spanked and my parents only raised their voice at me a handful of times and i was more well behaved than 95% of kids.


quote:

thats subjective...
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
141523 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 3:55 pm to
then maybe on yours and gmorgans side. i don't hand out arse whoopings over beds not getting made.

Posted by Southern Farmer
Greenville, MS
Member since Jul 2012
3070 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 3:55 pm to
Haha, you're cool, bro.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109722 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 3:57 pm to
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quote:
I'm talking about a swat on the hand or backside.
i don't think thats what thedoc means by spanking


Obviously a lot of confusion here, but I don't get the impression that he's drawing such a line.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:01 pm to
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Buddy Garrity


i don't think you know TheDoc as well as I do. he tends not to have any gray area.

quote:

i was never spanked and my parents only raised their voice at me a handful of times and i was more well behaved than 95% of kids


the 5% above you received spankings.
Posted by Buddy Garrity
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:04 pm to
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i don't think you know TheDoc as well as I do. he tends not to have any gray area.

thats certain;y possible

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the 5% above you received spankings.

Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:06 pm to
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I'd ever go so far to say that never spanking your child is pretty close to neglect.



not as bad as shanking though
Posted by smuckers
Member since Nov 2011
205 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:08 pm to
I'm in favor.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
141523 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:11 pm to
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smuckers


quote:

I'm in favor.


/thread
Posted by TheDoc
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:11 pm to
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i don't think you know TheDoc as well as I do. he tends not to have any gray area.



Unfortunately spanking parents are more likely to spank when angry, stressed about work, bills, relationships all things that have nothing to do with their child or that child’s behavior, more likely to spank for accidents incurred during play, split food or drink.

Spanking quickly becomes the first form of discipline not the last, commonly the only one used; spankers can be characterized as control freaks who have no idea how to pick their battles, no concept of age appropriate behavior or expectation, no critical thinking skills in the area of parenting, no creative problem solving skills either on the subject.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109722 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:13 pm to
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not as bad as shanking though


Hey, at least that way, Little Johnny will be prepared for when he gets sent up the river after being led astray to a life of crime and lawlessness from the swats on the rear he received when he was 4 or 5.
Posted by Angry Penguin
Pecan Sandwich
Member since Jan 2013
545 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:13 pm to
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Spanking quickly becomes the first form of discipline not the last, commonly the only one used; spankers can be characterized as control freaks who have no idea how to pick their battles, no concept of age appropriate behavior or expectation, no critical thinking skills in the area of parenting, no creative problem solving skills either on the subject.
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Am I supposed to take your word on this, or has there been extensive research?
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:14 pm to
I don't get the argument "I was spanked and I'm okay so what's wrong with it?"

It's wrong because it's big people hitting little people, and it's confusing for children to be told to behave while getting smacked.

It's also hypocritical and self-indulgent.

The other popular defense, that spanking is okay because it is effective, is simply false.

If it's so effective, how come parents have to do it again and again?

Once should be enough right?
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:15 pm to
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has there been extensive research


lots and lots of research

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A recent study sponsored by the American Academy of Pediatrics claims that “children who are spanked by their parents are at greater risk for later problems.” The study asserts that children who are spanked score lower on vocabulary tests and are more likely to be aggressive and break rules at school. The glaring weakness in the research – and in its reporting in the popular media – is that its definition of “spanking” is wide enough to drive a truck through.

Those who hold to spanking as a form of biblical discipline are well acquainted with this problem. The word has a semantic range as large as the national debt. It’s commonly used to refer to any form of physical discipline – whether the one administering it is a loving and godly parent or an alcoholic rage-monster, and whether the tool used is a hand, a wooden spoon, or a fraternity paddle. So as we assess the merits of a study like this one, we must be careful to define terms. And because the study’s authors failed to do that, their conclusions are spurious.

The biblical form of discipline advocated by many Christian parents is categorically different from what many people envision when they hear the word “spanking.” To many, the term connotes an angry parent who’s “had it up to here” with some unruly kids. She’s exhausted her regimen of I’m-counting-to-three and go-to-your-room and if-you-don’t-obey-right-now-you’ll-regret-it. In exasperation or maybe even violent aggression, she grabs her child, throws him over her knee, and administers a lashing to his backside, resulting in loud wails and a momentary reprieve from rebellion before the cycle begins again. And this is the more serene version. In extreme cases, the word “spanking” is co-opted by parents who are downright physically abusive and want a culturally acceptable term under which to hide their wicked behavior.

Will children who are spanked in this way grow up to be a) more aggressive and b) less verbal? You bet they will. Does the Christian version of spanking – biblical discipline – bear any resemblance to this picture? Hardly. To be sure, it does involve a parent using physical means to discipline and train a child. But in motive, in method, in means, and in outcome, it is something else entirely.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54838 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:18 pm to
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I don't get the argument "I was spanked and I'm okay so what's wrong with it?"

I agree not a good argument for spanking.

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If it's so effective, how come parents have to do it again and again?

Another really dumb argument. Tell me what form of discipline for your children was only needed one time. Are you suggesting all forms of discipline are ineffective simply because they may have to be repeated?

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Once should be enough right?

Tell me you just read this on reddit or from wiki and rehashed it without putting any thought into it. I would hate to think you are so cognitively challenged.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109722 posts
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:18 pm to
quote:

I don't get the argument "I was spanked and I'm okay so what's wrong with it?"

It's wrong because it's big people hitting little people, and it's confusing for children to be told to behave while getting smacked.

It's also hypocritical and self-indulgent.

The other popular defense, that spanking is okay because it is effective, is simply false.

If it's so effective, how come parents have to do it again and again?

Once should be enough right?


Is there a reason this was addressed to me?
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