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re: History in Pictures is a great twitter feed. Here is one just posted.

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Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:43 am to
The short guy is McGuire. Lindburgh actually showed something very helpful to P-38 pilots - guess what it is?

Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:44 am to
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The short guy is McGuire. Lindburgh actually showed something very helpful to P-38 pilots - guess what it is?


Can't remember the exact name of what he showed them but it helped them extend the range of the P-38.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:47 am to


Excellent, sir. Actually I don't know the name, either - he just showed them how to do it.

Oh, in answer to the Bf190E scoop, it was of different shape than the others. That, and the nose, too.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:52 am to
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Oh, in answer to the Bf190E scoop, it was of different shape than the others. That, and the nose, too.


Yeah, the nose is usually the first thing I look at when trying to identify a BF109 since it's what changes the most over it's lifespan.

Which that reminds me....



What aircraft is this?

Bonus: what was it's main use by the Germans?
Posted by JustGetItRight
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:58 am to
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Excellent, sir. Actually I don't know the name, either - he just showed them how to do it


It wasn't any one specific thing. He taught fuel management techniques using engine rpms, prop pitch, fuel mixture, etc that all combined to greatly increase range.

It also wasn't just the P-38. He also worked with and flew combat missions wiht USMC Corsair squadrons and B-24 bomber squadrons.

He flew a lot of combat missions. He may have been a German leaning isolationist before the war, but once it started he was all in for the US.

He even got a confirmed air to air victory.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:59 am to
Those are Heinkels, I believe. Is it a He 112? I would say those are for training or ground support purposes. I don't recall seeing them as front line fighters.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:00 am to
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He even got a confirmed air to air victory


Now that I did not know.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:11 am to
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Those are Heinkels


Yep

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I believe. Is it a He 112?


Close, it was actually the HE 110.

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I would say those are for training or ground support purposes. I don't recall seeing them as front line fighters.


It actually was developed as a front line fighter. It was at the time of it's introduction one of the fastest aircraft in the world. But the Luftwaffe adopted the BF-109 instead of it and thus it never went into full production.

However, the Germans did get some use out of it. They used it for propaganda purposes. In reality there were only a couple dozen of these built. But the Germans took a bunch of photos of them all over different places and even different markings to make it seem like they had squadrons of them. They even gave it a fictitious name of the HE 113.



Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:27 am to
What was the reasoning of choosing the 109 over the 110? Was it performance related - as in horizontal/vertical?
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:30 am to
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What was the reasoning of choosing the 109 over the 110? Was it performance related - as in horizontal/vertical?



I believe it was mostly political actually. Willy Messerschimitt was well connected.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:33 am to
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I believe it was mostly political actually. Willy Messerschimitt was well connected.


Sounds reasonable and much like things are today...

However, the 109 wasn't a bad plane - especially when the G model came along. As good as it was, it wouldn't touch the FW190, specifically the Dora model...
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:36 am to
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However, the 109 wasn't a bad plane - especially when the G model came along. As good as it was, it wouldn't touch the FW190, specifically the Dora model..


The 109 was an outstanding plane. It still holds the record for being the most produced fighter aircraft in history. I doubt any fighter ever comes close to breaking it's record.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 9:49 am to
While on the topic of 109's, here is something. This is a painting of a 109 w/ the Black Tulip on its nose. Name the pilot who flew the black tulip...

Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 10:13 am to
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While on the topic of 109's, here is something. This is a painting of a 109 w/ the Black Tulip on its nose. Name the pilot who flew the black tulip...



I've got a model of his at home. Erich Hartman.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 10:29 am to


As do I. What about the Red Tulip?
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 12:21 pm to
Gunther Rall?


Not Rall, but Gerd Barkhorn.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 12:38 pm
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:07 pm to
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What about the Red Tulip?


I'm not familiar with that nickname.


How about this?



What did this insignia represent?
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:10 pm to
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What did this insignia represent?


Heck if I know. By the looks of the cutoff upper right corner, I will say it's German...
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:14 pm to
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Not Rall, but Gerd Barkhorn


He had a red tulip also? I was thinking of Graf...
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 1:15 pm to
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Heck if I know. By the looks of the cutoff upper right corner, I will say it's German...


Yep. It is German. I'll give you a hint. It was one of their Panzer Divisions. I'll give it a few minutes...
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