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re: Hearings starting for bikers caught up in Waco shootout
Posted on 6/12/15 at 11:18 pm to KJason
Posted on 6/12/15 at 11:18 pm to KJason
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Alright. Let's say you're in NO for a Saints vs. Falcons game. You take your SO to a bar for a drink, both decked out in your Saints gear. While you're inside minding your own business a fight breaks out in the parking lot between some Saints fans & Falcon fans. Someone pulls out a gun, then someone else. The shooting starts and the cops move in and instead of arresting those outside fighting, they go into the bar and arrest everyone wearing either Saints or Falcons gear, charging each of them of a capital felony. You and your SO are hauled before a JP and he puts a bail of one million dollars on each of you and now it's almost a month later and you're both still sitting in jail. You going to like what the New Orleans PD did there as well?
Just when I think you that you are starting to use actual facts to present a logical argument, you go and post this asinine analogy.
You and Strong Safety should win Oscars if this proves to be a couple of Internet schticks. The unfortunate part is that y'all both think your arguments are intelligent and actually respectable.
Yes an absurd analogy but I am quite sure it is ment to be, we all know unions are controlled by organized crime, so what if the cops arrested everybody at a union hall meeting and stuck an organized crime charge on them and set the ridiculous $1,000,000 bail amount on them all and held them for a month or more.
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Posted on 6/13/15 at 9:05 am to Agforlife
The problem with that analogy is you are introducing the assumption that unions are run by organized crime as fact, which is invalid. This isn't 1940 and even if it was the head of the union doesn't wear a costume proclaiming himself as head of the mafia. The meeting at Twin Peaks on the other hand was said to be an organized meeting of the heads of these biker gangs. These 1%ers take validation in their criminal activity. This seems like the very definition of organized crime to me.
If the gangs in Compton were meeting to discuss who had control over which corner and a brawl broke out, resulting in multiple murders, everyone who attended this meeting would be guilty by association.
If the gangs in Compton were meeting to discuss who had control over which corner and a brawl broke out, resulting in multiple murders, everyone who attended this meeting would be guilty by association.
Posted on 6/13/15 at 12:12 pm to Darth_Vader
12 shots fired by officers
What say the all knowing Aging Rebel now? Trash gonna trash. 12 selective shots to eliminate the threat from these bozos with patches. The police involved are heroes. I have no doubt as more information is revealed, this will become clearer and clearer. I'm glad they rounded all those dumb fricks up and stuck them in a cell. Maybe "good clubs" will stop associating with clubs that are a drag on society. You are whom you associate with.
What say the all knowing Aging Rebel now? Trash gonna trash. 12 selective shots to eliminate the threat from these bozos with patches. The police involved are heroes. I have no doubt as more information is revealed, this will become clearer and clearer. I'm glad they rounded all those dumb fricks up and stuck them in a cell. Maybe "good clubs" will stop associating with clubs that are a drag on society. You are whom you associate with.
This post was edited on 6/13/15 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 6/13/15 at 1:27 pm to ags01
If I recall from the police chief he said that multiple law enforcement agencies were involved. So is it conceivable that his officers only fired 12 shots but the other LEO were responsible for the other shots?
Posted on 6/13/15 at 1:32 pm to ags01
So shocking, the bikers were full of shite and running with a narrative that helped them.
Posted on 6/13/15 at 8:17 pm to MrLSU
I understand the article to mean 12 shots fired by all law enforcement officers combined.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:45 am to KJason
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The problem with that analogy is you are introducing the assumption that unions are run by organized crime as fact, which is invalid. This isn't 1940 and even if it was the head of the union doesn't wear a costume proclaiming himself as head of the mafia. The meeting at Twin Peaks on the other hand was said to be an organized meeting of the heads of these biker gangs. These 1%ers take validation in their criminal activity. This seems like the very definition of organized crime to me.
If the gangs in Compton were meeting to discuss who had control over which corner and a brawl broke out, resulting in multiple murders, everyone who attended this meeting would be guilty by association
Yeah if that's what this meeting was about then I agree with you, but it wasn't it was a COC&I meeting which is a political meeting (and while most politics is a crime) not a meeting to divide up territory
Posted on 6/14/15 at 9:47 am to ags01
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What say the all knowing Aging Rebel now? Trash gonna trash. 12 selective shots to eliminate the threat from these bozos with patches. The police involved are heroes. I have no doubt as more information is revealed, this will become clearer and clearer. I'm glad they rounded all those dumb fricks up and stuck them in a cell. Maybe "good clubs" will stop associating with clubs that are a drag on society. You are whom you associate with.
The witnesses said there were more than 12 shots fired into the crowd. Y'all keep saying to wait on the facts, so let's wait.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 10:42 am to Darth_Vader
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caught up
Posted on 6/14/15 at 11:46 am to ags01
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12 shots fired by officers
What say the all knowing Aging Rebel now? Trash gonna trash. 12 selective shots to eliminate the threat from these bozos with patches. The police involved are heroes. I have no doubt as more information is revealed, this will become clearer and clearer. I'm glad they rounded all those dumb fricks up and stuck them in a cell. Maybe "good clubs" will stop associating with clubs that are a drag on society. You are whom you associate with.
First the cops claimed the fight started in the bathroom and spread out into the parking lot.
That was a lie.
Then the cops claimed that all 170 bikers arrested were in "outlaw gangs".
That was a lie
The cops claimed that everyone arrested took part in the fight and shootout.
That was a lie.
The cops claimed to find over 1,000 weapons.
That was a lie as well.
So if the Waco PD is now claiming they only fired 12 rounds, well excuse me if I don't believe anything they say at this point considering how full of shite they've proven to be up to this point.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 12:53 pm to Darth_Vader
Historically, people always fall for the trap of being ok with tyranny as long as it's done to 'those people'. It's disturbing to watch it play out yet again in this country. And the self righteousness of the left, the PC, the Social Justice Warriors, the Christian Right, and everyone else as they just yawn at the fact that the law has not been followed here because "well, they're bikers" is just disturbing.
It's like people really do not have the capacity to understand the problem with that and why this isn't just a problem for 'those people'. The justice system is supposed to be blind. There's a reason for that. There's plenty of people in those jails right now that deserve it. And when they go to trial that will be obvious, but most of those people are sitting in jail right now because of the clothes they had on at the time. Their lives are now pretty much destroyed. Their freedom has been illegally stripped from them. The government has taken away their constitutional rights because they just happened to be there?
And it's all done to thunderous applause from the sheeple who would be more than happy for a show trial of all of them at once followed by a mass beheading apparently. Sickening.
It's like people really do not have the capacity to understand the problem with that and why this isn't just a problem for 'those people'. The justice system is supposed to be blind. There's a reason for that. There's plenty of people in those jails right now that deserve it. And when they go to trial that will be obvious, but most of those people are sitting in jail right now because of the clothes they had on at the time. Their lives are now pretty much destroyed. Their freedom has been illegally stripped from them. The government has taken away their constitutional rights because they just happened to be there?
And it's all done to thunderous applause from the sheeple who would be more than happy for a show trial of all of them at once followed by a mass beheading apparently. Sickening.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 1:31 pm to Captain Rumbeard
Damn well said, sir.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 2:27 pm to Darth_Vader
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The cops claimed to find over 1,000 weapons.
So the number was actually 320 weapons, that's almost 2 per person right? I mean I always carry 2 weapons, who doesn't?
Posted on 6/14/15 at 2:33 pm to Old Sarge
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So the number was actually 320 weapons, that's almost 2 per person right? I mean I always carry 2 weapons, who doesn't?
That vast majority of the "weapons" were items like these....
(Do you carry a pocket knife? I do daily myself as to most other men)
(I have a wallet like this so by the Waco PD standards, counting my pocket knife, I'd have had at least two weapons on me. Well, three when you add in the pistol I always carry as a legal conceal carry permit holder.)
(These are chain vest extenders. They're literally the same exact size as in this picture. Not sure how you could use these as a weapon. You'd have to ask the folks at the Waco PD. Bikers who wear them will usually have about 4 of them. So if you add in their pocket knife and wallet, some bikers, by Waco standards had like 6 weapons on them, even if they were not CCP holders.)
This post was edited on 6/14/15 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 6/14/15 at 2:44 pm to Darth_Vader
Yep, got em (buffalo nickel for me) on my vest. Where does it say these are counted as weapons in the 320? If true, there can't have been many real weapons as most vest wearers have them.
This post was edited on 6/14/15 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 6/14/15 at 2:56 pm to Old Sarge
I saw it detailed in a number of stories. Basically anything with a chain was called a "chained weapon" by the Waco PD.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 3:10 pm to Darth_Vader
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I saw it detailed in a number of stories
Then I'll wait for an official report.
Posted on 6/14/15 at 3:33 pm to Agforlife
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Yeah if that's what this meeting was about then I agree with you, but it wasn't it was a COC&I meeting which is a political meeting (and while most politics is a crime) not a meeting to divide up territory
A political meeting between organized crime groups? If crimes are committed at this meeting then everyone in attendance doesn't garner much sympathy from the police or general public. This is a textbook example of "you are the company you keep". If you want to associate with shitheads then be prepared to get treated like a shithead when your friends break the law.
You can't take pride in being a criminal and then ask for the benefit of the doubt when you get arrested
This post was edited on 6/14/15 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 6/14/15 at 4:40 pm to KJason
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You can't take pride in being a criminal and then ask for the benefit of the doubt when you get arrested
Sure you can. It's pretty much the basis of our entire justice system.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 8:54 am to NoSaint
Bump for update
Killeen couple adjusting after Waco detention
Killeen couple adjusting after Waco detention
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Ester and Walter Weaver say they are not criminals.
“I don’t even have so much as a speeding ticket to my name. Ever,” said Walter Weaver, an analyst at Fort Hood. “I’ve been driving since 1975.”
But as they adjust to life after spending more than two weeks in jail following the May 17 Waco biker shootout, the Weavers are still reeling from their experience.
“I was in the parking lot,” Walter said. “I was looking for (Ester). I didn’t see anything occur. I just heard the bullets. I’ve been a soldier since I was 18 years old. My first thought was, ‘You’ve got to be kidding me. This is like being in downtown Baghdad.’
“All I could hear was bullets going off. Then it was get down and get the wife down. It was astonishing that this was in the middle of Texas.”
Once the bullets stopped flying in the parking lot of Twin Peaks in Waco on May 17, the Weavers were swept up in a police dragnet 170 strong. Many attorneys have called the mass arrests unconstitutional and unprecedented.
“The sheer amount of people that they pulled in did surprise me,” said Lewis Giles, the Weavers’ attorney. “And the fact that it didn’t seem like they could have done any investigation into all of those people.”
As he sat on the curb next to his wife, Walter said he thought the police simply wanted to speak to witnesses.
“My impression was we were being detained so we could be witnesses to whatever we did or didn’t see,” he said. “I thought we would be questioned and ‘OK, what did you see?’ and we’d make some kind of a witness statement.”
But police weren’t interested in taking witness statements. Instead, the two were handcuffed and made to wait in the sun for hours before they were thrown in jail without being Mirandized.
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