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re: Has anyone talked about the Mr. Beast guy (Chris) going trans?

Posted on 4/14/23 at 2:24 pm to
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 4/14/23 at 2:24 pm to
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You truly come across as a pseudo-intellectual.



You truly come across as a retard. Good talk.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
37806 posts
Posted on 4/14/23 at 2:38 pm to
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Let me ask you this; what are your thoughts on the concept of “my truth”.



Genuinely idiotic, but the problem is society-wide, and has to do with an broken notion of epistemics. There is a larger problem of distrusting experts, or rather, distrusting people who are supposed to validate knowledge. Instead of trying to fix that process, which you could do by changing the research structure away from 'publish or perish' and focus on reproducibility as well as publishing null hypothesis, we elevate the individual experience as though each one is meaningful. We can still categorize and treat pathologies systemically, which is what we do with everything, but if people aren't aware that psychiatric intervention alone didn't help certain patients with refractory GD, we have to sort of go back and show them again before we can move to figuring out what to do for refractory cases. The protocol I've referred to is used for refractory cases, as in cases that are resistant to other interventions.

What I think is going to happen is that trust in authorities will continue to erode for a few reasons. Firstly, much of the publicly funded research is behind paywalls, so it is extremely hard for laypeople to access that documentation without institutional support. The Biden admin is supposed to do away with that soon though. Secondly, there isn't broad engagement in social media of the biologic and medical sciences in the same way as with engineering or programming, so specific consequences can remain opaque despite attempts to explain them. One example of this is the lay public using the term evolutionary fitness incorrectly, where its broader definition gets mixed with its specific definition.

In addition, in the social media age, you actually have to engage in social media, and develop trust over again despite what reputation you might have had. This is especially true after COVID, where there was a large disconnect between professionals and the public and where the issues of communication with the wider world became very obvious.

In the absence of trusted figures who the wider public believes is engaging with them honestly, you are going to get people who push their subjectivity over agreed-upon reality, and there isn't an easy answer for what amounts to society-wide narcissism.
Posted by GhostofLesticleMiles
High Plains Drifter
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 4/14/23 at 3:25 pm to
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You truly come across as a retard. Good talk.



Im open to trying to understand but we are now at insults. Just not buying that you have an explanation, but cant explain it!?!? Yes, I took and read through some of the literature you extrapolated some developmental disorders you described, mutations, etc. Sorry though, you are reaching big time on correlating those with "this is why transgenderism happens". Correlation does not equal causation.

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There is a larger problem of distrusting experts, or rather, distrusting people who are supposed to validate knowledge.


This is ironic coming from you. Can you validate/explain your point?

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What I think is going to happen is that trust in authorities will continue to erode for a few reasons.


Ironic again. You can't explain/validate your point but we should trust you, you're an expert. No, we are lay people and the concept is above us. "We're just not smart enough".

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where there was a large disconnect between professionals and the public and where the issues of communication with the wider world became very obvious.


Yea, I know when you lie to the general public at large you kind of reap what you sow.

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agreed-upon reality, and there isn't an easy answer for what amounts to society-wide narcissism.


Yes, I would say that the agreed upon reality is that Transgenderism is rooted in narcissism.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 4/14/23 at 3:39 pm to
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Sorry though, you are reaching big time on correlating those with "this is why transgenderism happens".


What? Where we know the specific causes, as with disorders of sex development, such as 46 XY CAIS, we can explain why there is a difference between chromosomal and phenotypic sex. That pathophysiology of that is the same as with people who have gender dysphoria, which is dependent on either improper or incomplete masculinization. The presentation, pathophysiology, etc., between the conditions can be the same, but the one with an identifiable cause has much less stringent requirements for treatment versus someone who presents without DSDs.

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Can you validate/explain your point?


As in, in the absence of expertise that the wider public can trust, you will have the rise of individualized explanations for phenomena.

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Ironic again. You can't explain/validate your point but we should trust you, you're an expert. No, we are lay people and the concept is above us. "We're just not smart enough".



Well, trust was usually garnered through sheer credentialism. That has changed with social media, which is what I meant by engagement.

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Yes, I would say that the agreed upon reality is that Transgenderism is rooted in narcissism.



Cool.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/14/23 at 3:40 pm to
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You don't think counseling already occurs?


As in that is the only legitimate solution I can think of.

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But you were sure that rather than an intensive therapy process, patients were just getting pills and surgery immediately?


Nope, never said that. I am saying that the option of hormone therapy/irreversible surgery should never be an option.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
37806 posts
Posted on 4/14/23 at 3:50 pm to
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Nope, never said that. I am saying that the option of hormone therapy/irreversible surgery should never be an option.



Even in cases where genetic causes are found?
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 4/14/23 at 4:46 pm to
Posted by Tempratt
Member since Oct 2013
14555 posts
Posted on 4/14/23 at 5:11 pm to
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He's got that downsy look.


Huh? Downsy as I’m Down Syndrome. I’m sure that ain’t what you’re talking about.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
16149 posts
Posted on 4/14/23 at 6:37 pm to
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Even in cases where genetic causes are found?


No.
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