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re: grand jury does it again. holy hell......here we go
Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:53 am to lsucoonass
Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:53 am to lsucoonass
Actually it didn't take me that long, it was in the op link 
Not sure how it doesn't go to court with that info.
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The medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide caused in part by the chokehold.
Not sure how it doesn't go to court with that info.
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Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:55 am to oldcharlie8
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In opting not to indict, the panel determined there was not probable cause that a crime was committed by NYPD office
End of frick'n story. Time to move on.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:56 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
To me it looked like a headlock or modified choke by trapping the guy arms when standing up, I don't think it was fully sunk in until they hit the floor when the cop then transitioned to mount the guy by being on top of him. Def excessive IMO and the cop needs to go on trial for this one.
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 8:58 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:58 am to Mr Gardoki
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homicide caused in part by the chokehold.
1%? 99%? The criminal was exactly the picture of health. He had been arrested 30+ times before...He should have known the drill.
I have been arrested twice and I know the drill...
Posted on 12/4/14 at 8:59 am to lsucoonass
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Garner had been previously arrested and was out on bail for selling untaxed cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession and false personation. Garner had a criminal record that includes more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980 on charges such as assault, resisting arrest, grand larceny.
Via New York Times
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Garner's death was found by the New York City Medical Examiner's Office to be a result of compression to the neck, compression to the body, and prone positioning, along with asthma, heart disease and obesity as contributing factors
Via New York Times
Seems like this case isn't as clear cut as some make it out to be.
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 9:00 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:01 am to LCA131
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He had been arrested 30+ times before...He should have known the drill.
irrelevant to how the cop handled himself
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1%? 99%?
Either way it's part and why I would have expected it to go to court. I do not believe at all that the cop did that intentionally but knowing that he went against protocol and the medical examiner said he played a part in his death I am surprised he doesn't at least face some charges.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:03 am to oldcharlie8
There is nothing to really argue about here. That cop need some sort of legal punishment. That guy didnt deserve to die. He probably didnt deserve to be arrested.
I understand that its not fair for cops to be charged with murder everytime circumstances arise when people are killed. I say this because, in civilian cases, we assign a large portion of blame to people for putting themselves in those circumstances (i.e. fights, drug deals, disputes, road rage, etc). However, cops are required to do this. Not only must they be involved in "powder keg" situations, they must do it often. This greatly increases the amount of opportunities for shite like this to happen.
That being said, this was not a disputable event. That cop unjustly killed a guy. If you work for an investment bank and you have to deal with financial documents and you accidentally or purposefully commit fraud, you go to jail. Thats it.
I dont know if this is a race issue. And no one does. Not even the cop. Not even the grand jury. Prejudice is subconcious and, i would like to add not across the board the evil thing people make it out to be. What i do know is that perhaps we need to change the mission statement of American law enforcement. Perhaps we have far too many police officers looking for trouble to combat.
I understand that its not fair for cops to be charged with murder everytime circumstances arise when people are killed. I say this because, in civilian cases, we assign a large portion of blame to people for putting themselves in those circumstances (i.e. fights, drug deals, disputes, road rage, etc). However, cops are required to do this. Not only must they be involved in "powder keg" situations, they must do it often. This greatly increases the amount of opportunities for shite like this to happen.
That being said, this was not a disputable event. That cop unjustly killed a guy. If you work for an investment bank and you have to deal with financial documents and you accidentally or purposefully commit fraud, you go to jail. Thats it.
I dont know if this is a race issue. And no one does. Not even the cop. Not even the grand jury. Prejudice is subconcious and, i would like to add not across the board the evil thing people make it out to be. What i do know is that perhaps we need to change the mission statement of American law enforcement. Perhaps we have far too many police officers looking for trouble to combat.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:06 am to Mr Gardoki
So doesn't face charges but his career is over and his life is changed forever. Maybe just to keep the peace they should have returned true bill even though there was NO WAY he would have been convicted...Just to placate...
Since he was such a rogue, (off protocol) why no other officers (and 4 were right there) didn't step in to stop him?
Since he was such a rogue, (off protocol) why no other officers (and 4 were right there) didn't step in to stop him?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:07 am to Hester Carries
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That guy didnt deserve to die. He probably didnt deserve to be arrested.
If has been cited for the same thing then what do you want the officers to do? Write another ticket.
This law part of the very liberal laws in NY that give LE a lot more power and take away rights from the citizens of NY.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:13 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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If has been cited for the same thing then what do you want the officers to do? Write another ticket.
Choke him out until dead....
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:15 am to Mr Gardoki
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irrelevant to how the cop handled himself
Well if the guy KNEW WHAT to do, and he most assuredly DID, then would he have been choked? Would the officer have been forced into alternative means of submission?
I would say no. The ONLY reason I would have brought charges is to placate the public. And that would have been spineless.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:20 am to Hester Carries
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Choke him out until dead....
He didn't do that. When the guy says he can't breath no has him in a choke hold. I'm gonna guess that the physical activity of resisting arrest, the asthma, and the officers being on top of him all contributed to his death. He didn't deserve to die, but a lot of factors also played into his death which the officers are certainly a part of.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:21 am to LCA131
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Well if the guy KNEW WHAT to do, and he most assuredly DID, then would he have been choked? Would the officer have been forced into alternative means of submission?
Ive always hated the whole white privilege movement, but i cant help but think its a thing when i read stuff like this. Im glad my margin of error with police is bigger that Garners.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:22 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
Agreed. Guy probably could have died with or without the headlock.
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Garner's death was found by the New York City Medical Examiner's Office to be a result of compression to the neck, compression to the body, and prone positioning, along with asthma, heart disease and obesity as contributing factors
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 9:23 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:22 am to BoominHogtown
He deserved to get arrested maybe even tazed to subdue him but he didn't deserve to die for his slight resistance to bring arrested.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:22 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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I'm gonna guess that the physical activity of resisting arrest,
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Essentially
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Im gonna guess that it was his fault
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:23 am to Hester Carries
So, are they gonna riot? My mom is taking my Godchild there next week.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:23 am to Hester Carries
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Ive always hated the whole white privilege movement
Explain?
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Im glad my margin of error with police is bigger that Garners.
Are you implying you can listen and follow instructions?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:28 am to LCA131
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Explain?
I think a lot of examples are bull shite.
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Are you implying you can listen and follow instructions?
No i wasnt. I can out right say that now. Under most circumstances i can listen and follow instructions.
What i was saying is that its comforting to know that it seems the amount of behavior beyond total compliance afforded to me is greater than to a giant black guy. And furthermore, the response to that lack of compliance appears to be less fatal, normally.
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 9:29 am
Posted on 12/4/14 at 9:35 am to Hester Carries
Would any of you like to be on the grand jury that indicted a cop? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'm not saying it is an excuse. I just feel that it would be difficult to do. Now, if the guy committed fraud, theft, maleficence, etc. It would not be tough to do, but something like this where he may or may not have broken the law in the line of duty...... I don't know if I could do it. (just being honest)
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