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re: GATOR scholarship bill successfully gets through LA subcommittee
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:18 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:18 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I can 100 percent promise you the archdiocese of new orleans, etc, will jack up tuition prices by $6K and tell parents to go get the money from the state.
I think they will do it slowly, but yes.
An elementary school with 500 kids getting even an extra $500k per year could easily convince parents that they get $1k of the $6k and the school can make significant upgrades and everyone wins. Then that $1k becomes $2k because they could give raises to teachers. And so forth.
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:30 pm to whoa
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One third of my property tax goes to EBRPSS.
EBRPSS doesn't have to contribute any of their money to this GATOR program.
Also, how much is your 1/3rd of property tax that goes to them? Let's say it's $1,000.
OK... I'm cool if EBRPSS has to give you your $1,000 back.
Now, how are you going to afford private school for $1,000 a year?
You are not. It just helps you pay for it.
Which I get... but again... this is state money, not local money.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:32 pm to OvertheDwayneBowe
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I think they will do it slowly, but yes.
An elementary school with 500 kids getting even an extra $500k per year could easily convince parents that they get $1k of the $6k and the school can make significant upgrades and everyone wins. Then that $1k becomes $2k because they could give raises to teachers. And so forth.
Which then leads to parents putting political pressure on the state to find more money for this, since the whole "point" of this program is now being eaten away by higher tuition payments. And the cycle continues.
You are right... it might be over time.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:41 pm to LSUFanHouston
LINK
This article is a good summary.
Also, as to your point about subsidies increasing prices. Yes, according to basic microeconomics, subsidies increase equilibrium price, but the price increase is less than the subsidy amount, due to the upward sloping supply curve. As price increase, so does supply.
This article is a good summary.
Also, as to your point about subsidies increasing prices. Yes, according to basic microeconomics, subsidies increase equilibrium price, but the price increase is less than the subsidy amount, due to the upward sloping supply curve. As price increase, so does supply.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:44 pm to LSUFanHouston
I know you philosophically are very much a libertarian who opposes the current k-12 system, so what is your preferred way to institute school choice?
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:54 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:You have school choice already. You can move to a better public district or make better financial choices, delay gratification and pay for private school.
o what is your preferred way to institute school choice?
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:57 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Switchers generally yield fiscal savings to taxpayers because they are opting out of a higher-cost public school that they otherwise would have attended without the program. By contrast, non-switchers are a pure cost to taxpayers, because, under the program, taxpayers are now paying for an education that the non-switcher student’s household would have otherwise purchased.
That is EXACTLY the issue. The article also points out that LA has a higher percentage of students already in private schools (i.e non-switchers)
If I'm reading the article correctly, it estimates net cost to the state, on the low end, of $150M and on the high end, $400M, annually.
And while that is a small percntage of the money the state spends each year on total public school spending (and an even smaller percentage of the state budget), it's still $150 - $400 million a year in new spending, which must be paid for with taxes (bleh) or other spending cuts (cool... what are we cutting).
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:57 pm to Scruffy
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A voucher program funded by tax dollars that does the same thing as a 529
Vouchers aren’t savings accounts right?
Posted on 3/26/24 at 10:59 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Jaxxton finna enroll at the Louisiana Travel ball Academy 
Posted on 3/26/24 at 11:01 pm to LSUFanHouston
What are your thoughts if this program would be altered so that the only people who qualify for the gator scholarship are kids who are currently enrolled in public school?
Posted on 3/26/24 at 11:03 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
It wouldn't pass
Posted on 3/26/24 at 11:05 pm to Jake88
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You have school choice already. You can move to a better public district or make better financial choices, delay gratification and pay for private school.
I simply do not get this argument.
in *every other* govt program, the beneficiary is given money to then spend at private businesses. Medicaid, ebt, section 8, etc all involve qualifying citizens using the money at places they choose
Only in education do we turn the entire thing on its head and decide to fund govt provision of the good instead.
Let me ask you something jake88, do you think ebt recipients should be forced to go to govt run cafeterias for their food?
Posted on 3/26/24 at 11:05 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I know you philosophically are very much a libertarian who opposes the current k-12 system, so what is your preferred way to institute school choice?
Honestly, if you want the government to pay for something, then you submit to the government's rules.
As a taxpayer, I don't get a direct choice in how my tax dollars are spent on roads, or military, or economic development, or government-paid health care, or parks and recreation, or police/fire protection, etc. The only "choice" I have is whether to vote for the tax (if it's even a tax I can vote for) or whether to vote for the politicians who ultimately made the decisions.
I'm not necessairly sure why education should be any different.
So, I think we are left with two options.
1) The current system
2) A complete and total dismantling of public education. No more public schools, no more tax dollars (federal, state, and local) going to public schools.
From a PURE libertarian view... option 2 is appealing. But I'm also realistic enough to know that if there was no public schools, the majorty of parents could not afford whatever all-private school system took the place of it... even if no public schools resulted in large tax cuts.
I'm more of a realist than a libertarian. Perhaps by necessity. But I think the financial costs of a society with a lot less education are FAR greater than the costs to society of public school education.
The real answer is... how do we make public schools better for all students? The answer isn't more unions and more spending...
Posted on 3/26/24 at 11:11 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:All of these are bloated and wasteful programs that enable sloth and decay of that which they impact.
in *every other* govt program, the beneficiary is given money to then spend at private businesses. Medicaid, ebt, section 8, etc all involve qualifying citizens using the money at places they choose
quote:Or outlets with basic, no-frills foods, yes.
Let me ask you something jake88, do you think ebt recipients should be forced to go to govt run cafeterias for their food?
Posted on 3/26/24 at 11:11 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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What are your thoughts if this program would be altered so that the only people who qualify for the gator scholarship are kids who are currently enrolled in public school?
Well it would certainly solve the cost issue... it would actually be a net savings.
I don't know if that would pass constitutional muster. I also don't know how you would enforce that. If a kid goes to private school for one day of Kinder... is that kid ot of the program for life? What if the kid in second grade transfers from private to public. Could he transfer back to private in 4th grade and get the money?
The reality is, the state saves money by having so many current students in private schools. If every private school kid in LA, decided this upcoming fall to switch to public school, we would have a MASSIVE fiancial issue.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 11:13 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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in *every other* govt program, the beneficiary is given money to then spend at private businesses. Medicaid, ebt, section 8, etc all involve qualifying citizens using the money at places they choose
I actually think these are more the exception, than the rule.
EBT program has propped up Walmart. Medicaid is a nightmare for private business to navigate. Section 8 has led to slumlords and blight.
If those are your arguments for why we should have more private inolvement in state spending, I'm not sure that's something you want to promote using those as examples.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 11:22 pm to LSUFanHouston
The left wants to throw more money at public schools. The right wants various flavors of privatization. Neither will work unless parents start imposing some discipline on their children and especially take away their phones. I don't know how you do that at his point.
We're going on 2 1/2 generations raised on video games and social media. A lot of teachers will tell you things have gotten worse in the last 3-4 years WRT kids attention spans, problem solving skills and ability to cope with adversity. We've succeeded in rewiring kids' brains and not for the better
We're going on 2 1/2 generations raised on video games and social media. A lot of teachers will tell you things have gotten worse in the last 3-4 years WRT kids attention spans, problem solving skills and ability to cope with adversity. We've succeeded in rewiring kids' brains and not for the better
This post was edited on 3/26/24 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 3/26/24 at 11:24 pm to LSUFanHouston
I guess the reason I am so strongly supportive of school choice is because, yes, overall, the culture in bad areas of New Orleans, Baton Rouge, etc is awful. 90% of the kids are not going to make anything of themselves in terms of scholastics/education. But what about the 10% of kids in these awful schools who care? Who were born with an incredible intellect? If they have parents who cannot afford private schooling, these kids will be forced to go to the shite public schools where the 90% will drag them down and ruin their potential.
THAT’S why I feel so strongly about this. It reminds me of this quote
THAT’S why I feel so strongly about this. It reminds me of this quote
Posted on 3/26/24 at 11:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Are you suggesting that 10% don't make it out of those areas successfully? Because they do. Likely more.
But what about the 10% of kids in these awful schools who care?
Posted on 3/26/24 at 11:32 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I guess the reason I am so strongly supportive of school choice is because, yes, overall, the culture in bad areas of New Orleans, Baton Rouge, etc is awful. 90% of the kids are not going to make anything of themselves in terms of scholastics/education. But what about the 10% of kids in these awful schools who care? Who were born with an incredible intellect? If they have parents who cannot afford private schooling, these kids will be forced to go to the shite public schools where the 90% will drag them down and ruin their potential.
The phrase you seek is "charter schools"
Charter schools are doing a much better job of this, currently, in NOLA, than the current voucher program is. About the only positive thing the current voucher program is doing, is keeping a few catholic elementary schools open.
There are some terrible charter schools that are nothing more than graft. But there are also some that are doing amazing things.
Charter schools are the sort of middle ground. You get some choice, not unlimited choice, and you get some systemic accoutability, but also some control.
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