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re: GasBuddy now counts six cities where average diesel prices are over $7
Posted on 3/24/26 at 9:55 am to Mizz-SEC
Posted on 3/24/26 at 9:55 am to Mizz-SEC
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first thing he did when he entered office was cancel the Canadian pipeline signaling his intentions to push green energy over fossil fuels
That had a minimal effect vs the global supply issues and Russia invading Ukraine.
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But again, I have no political agenda to defend or deny here unlike you apparently.
Lmfao. "Biden was just as bad" has been repeated ad nauseum. Grow up
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Posted on 3/24/26 at 9:59 am to fightin tigers
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Doesn't their refining capacity far outpace their consumption today?
Yes and no. California only allows a specific gas to be used for consumption on public roads.
Of California's refineries, very few actually made the blend that is required. Of the 50 in operation as of Jan 2025, only 13 made that gas. Of those 13, 4 are closing up shop.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 10:25 am to UtahCajun
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Of California's refineries, very few actually made the blend that is required
Don't make or can't make?
Bottomine. California is a net gas exporter because they have excess capacity and it is more profitable in a lot of cases for them to sell outside of their market while allowing some producers to sell into their market.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 10:48 am to fightin tigers
California imports the majority of their crude oil, and wants to end oil and gas production by 2045.
They pay, and have paid much higher pump prices for years.
They pay, and have paid much higher pump prices for years.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 10:49 am to N2cars
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California imports the majority of their crude oil
That is mostly due to economic oil production though, right?
Posted on 3/24/26 at 10:57 am to fightin tigers
Not really understanding your question...
If you're asking if it costs more to sell a gallon of gasoline in California than elsewhere due to transportation costs of crude, the heavy tax and regulatory environment, then yes.
I thought that was obvious.
ETA: I think you're asking why they import so much, when they produce so much?
If you're asking if it costs more to sell a gallon of gasoline in California than elsewhere due to transportation costs of crude, the heavy tax and regulatory environment, then yes.
I thought that was obvious.
ETA: I think you're asking why they import so much, when they produce so much?
This post was edited on 3/24/26 at 10:59 am
Posted on 3/24/26 at 10:57 am to fightin tigers
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Don't make or can't make?
Can't make. The refineries do not have the right equipment to create these blends.
Not every refinery can refine every blend one desires.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 11:12 am to UtahCajun
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Not every refinery can refine every blend one desires.
Profitably....
Posted on 3/24/26 at 11:13 am to N2cars
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ETA: I think you're asking why they import so much, when they produce so much?
No, pretty much saying there is no need to produce more in Cali. Their imports are a result of cheaper crude via imports than what they can produce domestically.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 11:16 am to rickgrimes
Isn’t this what CA wants? Unaffordable gas prices so people will be forced to “save the planet”?
Posted on 3/24/26 at 11:45 am to fightin tigers
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Profitably
Yep.
Cost to build needed equipment would outstrip any income generated by being able to produce CaRFG3, especially when California is the only place one can sell it since suppliers there are the only ones willing (well maybe not willing, but forced) to buy that expensive of a product.
Then when you add in evironmental costs to operate any O&G facility, regardless of where in the stream, I do not see why any are left.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 11:54 am to fightin tigers
Yep, but obviously that's on California.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 12:35 pm to N2cars
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Yep, but obviously that's on California.
That's pretty true for all of the US. US crudes mostly demand a premium over imports.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 12:38 pm to UtahCajun
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add in evironmental costs to operate any O&G facility, regardless of where in the stream, I do not see why any are left
Because the refineries are still extremely profitable. There needs to be attrition due to falling demand and the refiners that have other places to invest their assets don't really need to play chicken with operating in the market.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 1:28 pm to SDVTiger
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Back to the Biden days in CA
So the current administration is as incompetent as the last. Got it.
That's the thing about whataboutsim....defending your having shite in the bed because someone else shite in the bed still means you shite in the bed....
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:07 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Lmfao. "Biden was just as bad" has been repeated ad nauseum. Grow up
Then what is your issue? high gas prices and you want to blame Trump? great, he and current global political have a big part in it, just like high gas prices under any previous president.
I did vote for this and am happy to pay these diesel prices versus the alternative vote that was available, which you likely voted for. High gas prices come and go. shite would have been a lot worse all around under a different administration.
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