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re: Founder of Jimmy Johns is a big game hunter. ( people upset)
Posted on 10/27/16 at 10:03 am to Kracka
Posted on 10/27/16 at 10:03 am to Kracka
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Because the two are so very similar....
You're basing your opinion on emotion. It's baseless and nonsensical.
Bring evidence or at least some kind of hypothesis to the discussion and opinion will be treated respect. Right now all you are doing is saying people shouldn't shoot elephants or rhinos because of your removed perspective.
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Posted on 10/27/16 at 10:20 am to Kracka
quote:Especially since there is little sport to it.
I really don't understand why people want to kill a rhino an an elephant.
Years ago, client invited me to go to their deer lease. Most of the blinds had a nearby deer feeder. One of the hunters, a very experienced hunter, would only hunt by trying to stalk the deer. I don't consider shooting a deer walking up to a feeder to be sport so I went out and explored a cavern that was on the property.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 10:21 am to chinhoyang
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Especially since there is little sport to it.
Tell us more about your experience with elephants and how easy they are to hunt.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 11:10 am to Barf
please give me perspective on how shooting an elephant in these big game reserves are a good thing. When 9/10 these africa "reserves" are havens for poachers, and hunting of endangered animals. Especially now when Elephants and rhino's are being hunted and killed for the ivory.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 11:11 am to Barf
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Tell us more about your experience with elephants and how easy they are to hunt.
Tell us about more about your experience to the contrary.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 11:12 am to Kracka
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Kracka
Did you move from Laffy?
on topic...Elephants can't jump.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 11:14 am to LCA131
no why?
Posted on 10/27/16 at 11:17 am to Kracka
I was chatting with one of the others who had lunch with us that time and they said they had not seen you in forever...
I miss you...lol
on topic...Elephants have 4 knees.
I miss you...lol
on topic...Elephants have 4 knees.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 11:23 am to Kracka
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I doubt in most of these cases that it's done in the name of conservation.
It doesn't have to be done in the name of conservation. Trophy hunting creates a financial incentive for landowners in Africa to promote local species and protect against poachers, instead of focusing on raising cattle & crops.
Here's a national geographic article on the subject.
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The southern white rhinoceros grew from just 50 animals a century ago to over 11,000 wild individuals today, because hunts gave game ranchers a financial incentive to reintroduce the animal
Just read up on it. You don't have to like it, but the fact that this dude just dropped $350,000 on one animal is going to promote conservation for the species better than a hundred tourists who want to come and look at them. Regardless of whether he did it "in the name of conservation". Tourists might pay a couple hundred bucks for a safari, but it pales in comparison to the coin that hunters are willing to drop. And frankly, as long as it's not detrimental to the species (which the article above clearly states), the ethics of killing a trophy animal for sport is no different than the ethics of killing a cow, so long as the meat is used (which is typically donated to the dirt poor villagers in the area).
Posted on 10/27/16 at 11:28 am to Kracka
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Namibia’s Conservancy Approach In Namibia, elephant numbers have been increasing, and the nation’s conservancy approach is applauded as a factor in this success. Established by the Namibian government in 1996, the program grants communities the power to manage wildlife on communal land and to work with private companies to develop their own tourism markets. The latest government statistics indicate that the estimated contributions from trophy hunting exceeded $70 million. The vast majority of this income is returned to operators and spin-off beneficiaries such as airlines, hotels, tourism facilities, but there is a trickle-down effect. In 2000, the total income to communal conservancies from all forms of wildlife use, including trophy hunting, amounted to $165,000. Six years later, this had increased almost tenfold to $1,330,000. Though small compared to the overall income from trophy hunting, it does provide one in seven Namibians with $75 a month.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 11:30 am to Kracka
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please give me perspective on how shooting an elephant in these big game reserves are a good thing.
well the first point is that no matter what, in a reserve that is managed, these animals are getting killed regardless. herd management and planned culling is necessary to maintain/promote populations (this applies to all managed populations)
then the question becomes: is it more beneficial or detrimental to sell tags for a "hunt" of these animals (that are getting killed no matter what)? i don't see many arguments against selling the tags for the pre-planned death, when the opposing situation is a ranger killing it.
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When 9/10 these africa "reserves" are havens for poachers
that's b/c the animals don't have the economic value high enough to protect. hunting and tags creates that economic value for these animals that makes it more viable to invest in protecting them (as a renewable resource)
Posted on 10/27/16 at 1:32 pm to LCA131
Im around, but my oldest keeps me busy as hell. And the new baby keeps me even more busy. We should all have lunch again. I am always up for trekking out for a lunch get together.
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