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re: Facts from Peer Reviewed Medical articles about Ebola

Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:45 pm to
Posted by TigerattheU
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:45 pm to
This was a footnote in the article:
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Fever was defined as a body temperature above 38°C; however, in practice, health care workers at the district level often do not have a medical thermometer and simply ask whether the person’s body temperature is more elevated than usual.
Posted by mikeytig
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:47 pm to
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I hope that made sense, its a VERY easy disease for us to defeat. We may have a case here, 2 there, 1 here for the next few months but thats really all that will happen.


We have no idea how many people in this country have been exposed to the infected people showing symptoms.
Posted by redstick13
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:47 pm to
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This has NOTHING to do with the administration, they have handled it well. The problem is the media blowing it out of proportion and the American people who don't do any research on Ebola and how it works.


This
Posted by lsu480
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:48 pm to
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Fever was defined as a body temperature above 38°C; however, in practice, health care workers at the district level often do not have a medical thermometer and simply ask whether the person’s body temperature is more elevated than usual.


Not anymore....which is just one more reason that the R0 is headed towards 0 in the US.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:51 pm to
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They absolutely are but it still doesn't really matter for Americans. Ya it sucks for Africans, it might be a pain in the arse for the CDC and a handful of hospitals but Ebola will never kill thousands in the US, it isn't built for it.



It's still disruptive as hell for the developed countries. It's something we'll have to get used to. Meanwhile, I just read the second nurse was a real jetsetter; she may have flown on two flights while symptomatic:

LINK

As they say on Sons of Anarchy, "Jesus Christ."

Posted by lsu480
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:51 pm to
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We have no idea how many people in this country have been exposed to the infected people showing symptoms.


bullshite! Pretty much anyone that has been in contact with the infected people know they were in contact with them. The ones that exchanged bodily fluids with them, or were close enough to, for damn sure know and they all would come forward for treatment rather than die.

Even if we got one person, or 10, that didn't it wouldn't matter because when they showed up to the hospital with symptoms we have TWO WEEKS to quarantine anyone they were in close contact, like exchange bodily fluids close. Dude try to forget what FB has told you and read up on it.
Posted by lsu480
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:53 pm to
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t's still disruptive as hell for the developed countries. It's something we'll have to get used to.


The overwhelming odds are we will NEVER have more than 10 cases at a time in the USA so its no biggie.

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Meanwhile, I just read the second nurse was a real jetsetter; she may have flown on two flights while symptomatic:


Again, unless she was exchanging bodily fluids with them it DOES NOT MATTER.



Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:56 pm to
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Again, unless she was exchanging bodily fluids with them it DOES NOT MATTER.


Those fluids can be exchanged without intimate or even direct contact, so it actually does matter. Is it a huge risk? Probably not, but we will see.
Posted by TigerattheU
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:57 pm to
I'm saying the first link was most excited about 1 in 8 people not having a fever, which would suggest that only monitoring flagged people in the U.S. for a fever would not be an adequate precaution. But the article points out that the fever numbers aren't reliable because the proper equipment wasn't available.
Posted by mikeytig
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:04 am to
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The ones that exchanged bodily fluids with them, or were close enough to, for damn sure know and they all would come forward for treatment rather than die


Well this is just what I'm talking about. Passengers on a Delta flight from San Francisco to Tampa are trying to find out where a certain passenger of African descent throwing up all over the back of the plane was from. He was breathing heavily, sweating profusely and when asked by the passengers what was his native country he would not say. The passengers on the plane cannot get that info out if Delta. Was he from W Africa?

Google Delta Flight 1760 from San Fran to Tampa
This post was edited on 10/17/14 at 12:15 am
Posted by lsu480
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:15 am to
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Well this is just what I'm talking about. Passengers on a Delta flight from San Francisco to Tampa are trying to find out where a certain passenger of African descent throwing up all over the back of the plane was from. He was breathing heavily, sweating profusely and when asked by the passengers what was his native country he would not say. The passengers on the plane cannot get that info out if Delta. Was he from W Africa?


It doesn't matter. If he does have Ebola and was symptomatic they would know for certain within one day. IF he was the government would have 2 weeks to find the people who were near him on the plane and monitor/quarantine them, with a flight manifest the government WOULD find them all in 1-2 days at most, thank you NSA and big brother. They actually would probably go overboard and quarantine everyone on the plane if he truly was as sick as you say. Anyone the passengers would have come into contact with wouldn't matter since they wouldn't be contagious for at least another 10 days.

The single most important thing to understand is the fact it takes 2 weeks to become symptomatic and that you are not contagious until you are symptomatic. If this is making ANY sense to you guys you should be feeling better about this Ebola scare.
This post was edited on 10/17/14 at 12:19 am
Posted by lsunurse
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:22 am to
False....it can take from 2 to 21 days for symptoms to show after being exposed to ebola. The average is 8-10 days.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:23 am to
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The single most important thing to understand is the fact it takes 2 weeks to become symptomatic and that you are not contagious until you are symptomatic.


Incubation is 2-21 days. The initial generic febrile state can last 5 days before the person starts to become really sick. Human nature includes denial and complacency, so there is ample opportunity for people who should know better to frick up and not take the shite seriously. Example: Amber Vinson and her CDC "advisors". As a health care worker, she was presumably among the best of the general public WRT understanding that any symptoms expressed during the incubation period are presumptive Ebola. Yet apparently she didn't understand that and went ahead to take two flights. Unbelievable.

Posted by mikeytig
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:24 am to
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It doesn't matter. If he does have Ebola and was symptomatic they would know for certain within one day. IF he was the government would have 2 weeks to find the people who were near him on the plane and monitor/quarantine them, with a flight manifest the government WOULD find them all in 1-2 days at most, thank you NSA and big brother. Anyone the passengers would have come into contact with wouldn't matter since they wouldn't be contagious for at least another 10 days.


It does matter. The Obama administration is allowing free travel from areas where the the virus is rampant- that's why the virus is here now. The Liberian (who was symptomatic) was able to fly here so he could get free help and live. Now-
two of the nurses who took care of him are infected-doubt seriously they swapped body fluids. It's not as simple as your making it out to be.
Posted by lsu480
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:31 am to
That irresponsible and could possibly get a HANDFUL of people sick at most but again there is no concern for any kind of any substantial outbreak. One of my good friends has been directing and producing an Ebola/Marburg documentary since 2008, he just landed in Nigeria yesterday, and he isn't worried. He has spoken to literally all of the worlds top Ebola docs and he isn't worried about it in the US, he is worried about it in Africa though. They aren't worried it will kill tens of millions over there but tens of thousands, sure. We have had VERY long discussions about it and basically all I know about it came from him and watching his interviews with these top doctors. If they aren't worried about the US I am not going to worry.
Posted by lsu480
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:32 am to
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It's not as simple as your making it out to be.


Its gonna be a pain in the arse, I already said that, but again the odds of more than 10 people in the US being infected with it at the same time are low.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
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Member since May 2014
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:45 am to
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This has NOTHING to do with the administration, they have handled it well. The problem is the media blowing it out of proportion and the American people who don't do any research on Ebola and how it works.


The CDC has handled this like dog crap, and they have admitted as much. Don't try to say otherwise.

I don't think this will ever be much of anything because of the nature of transmission of the disease and its epidemiology, but to say that it was handled well by the government is farcical.
Posted by redstick13
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:46 am to
He has a whole host of things to worry about in Nigeria besides Ebola.
Posted by lsu480
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:49 am to
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The CDC has handled this like dog crap, and they have admitted as much. Don't try to say otherwise.

I don't think this will ever be much of anything because of the nature of transmission of the disease and its epidemiology, but to say that it was handled well by the government is farcical.



What would you have them do, spend a billion dollars to save a handful of lives? This is actually one of the more reasonable things they have done but most of the same people who shite on Odummy for wasting $ are shitting on him now for not spending $. I 100% guarantee that if he had implemented travel bans, airport checks, increased hospital training etc and spent a billion dollars, which IT WOULD cost this administration, everyone would be bitching about that when Ebola turns out to be nothing.

We all want less government and ask for it daily so don't bitch the one time they give it to us.
Posted by lsu480
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Member since Oct 2007
92877 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:50 am to
No doubt but he is off directly to Syria for an ISIS documentary he is working on after this so I don't think he is THAT worried. He has spent a lot of time in mountain regions of Afghanistan and Pakistan as well, he just goes from one hot zone to another. He was all into Star Trek when we were kids, total nerd, and I am convinced he pretends he is Captain Kirk visiting dangerous planets when he lands in these places!
This post was edited on 10/17/14 at 12:53 am
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