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re: Ex-Space Force Sergeant sentenced to 54 years for fatally shooting attempted car thief
Posted on 8/20/25 at 2:58 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 8/20/25 at 2:58 pm to Indefatigable
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Why? It’s pretty open and shut.
I have a hard time imagining a jurisdiction where he wouldn’t be convicted. The pursuit is inexcusable and unjustifiable.
Nah, I totally disagree. It was justified and justifiable.
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Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:02 pm to imjustafatkid
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Nah, I totally disagree. It was justified and justifiable.
Which is why you wouldn’t make the jury
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:09 pm to TT9
There has to first be a joke
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:11 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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This guy didn’t go hunting for trouble.
One could argue that he actually did. He hunted them down, even after they crashed
Obviously I meant he didn’t wake up that day wanting to murder anyone. He hunted those bastards down after they tried to steal his Hyundai. FAFO.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:13 pm to Indefatigable
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Sure nothing is automatic, but this one happens to be about as clear cut as it gets.
Never know. In more conservative area he might’ve gotten a jury with sense.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:14 pm to AUstar
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Don't try and steal a car and it wouldn't happen.
You just broke the brains of the liberals here celebrating the sentence. People who obviously have never been crime victims and don’t understand the rage at being victimized.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:27 pm to Bullfrog
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Which is what is wrong with justice in the USA.
I think there's a strong policy argument that we shouldn't allow people defending their property to continue a chase after their property has been secured, put others at risk in a car chase, and fire bullets that could have hit an innocent party. That is clearly too far. The bad actors started it, but at some point the defender should stop to protect others who aren't involved at all.
This post was edited on 8/20/25 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:31 pm to The Boat
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and first-degree attempted murder.
"That wadn't no tempt murder, I shot the boy mike mike in his hind parts"
Omar Davone Little
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:33 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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The bad actors started it, but at some point the defender should stop to protect others who aren't involved at all.
In this case, nothing bad happened to others not involved.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:35 pm to biglego
They both wear make up, that's funny.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:41 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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I think there's a strong policy argument that we shouldn't allow people defending their property to continue a chase after their property has been secured, put others at risk in a car chase, and fire bullets that could have hit an innocent party. That is clearly too far. The bad actors started it, but at some point the defender should stop to protect others who aren't involved at all.
Not to mention the use of deadly force once there is no longer a crime being committed, no threat to health or safety, and not even a threat to property involved.
No serious person believes that vigilantes should pursue and kill everyone who commits or attempts to commit a crime.
This post was edited on 8/20/25 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:44 pm to Indefatigable
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Not to mention the use of deadly force once there is no longer a crime being committed, no threat to health or safety, and not even a threat to property involved.
I'm ambivalent on this... more criminals need to learn fear of those they'd make their victims.
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No serious person believes that vigilantes should pursue and kill everyone who commits a crime.
I don't believe every crime deserves a vigilante death sentence- just probably most of them.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:46 pm to SallysHuman
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In this case, nothing bad happened to others not involved
That's not how this works. The point is to disincentivize the conduct that could have led to someone else getting hurt. It's immaterial to the general policy whether someone actually did get hurt or not.
We don't say, "hey you went 100mph in a school zone during release, but since you didn't kill a kid, all good!"
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:49 pm to cinemaguy23
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He should be freed and a statue erected
He should be sentenced to weekly range time. Nothing more. Then I will buy him a few drinks.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:49 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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That's not how this works. The point is to disincentivize the conduct that could have led to someone else getting hurt. It's immaterial to the general policy whether someone actually did get hurt or not.
But that IS how it works... there obviously is no disincentive to ghetto conduct and regular people get tired of putting up with it.
Food deserts?
Locked up aisles in the store?
File your burglary report and we'll get back to you never?
Leave your car unlocked and the trunk popped?
I could go on.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:52 pm to SallysHuman
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I don't believe every crime deserves a vigilante death sentence- just probably most of them.
Proportionality is a central tenet of justice.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:53 pm to SallysHuman
Alright, when you're bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with what happened here we're at the end of reasonable discussion.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:53 pm to Indefatigable
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Proportionality is a central tenet of justice.
Disparate Impact would like a word.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:55 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Alright, when you're bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with what happened here we're at the end of reasonable discussion.
You have a point, I went off on a tangent.
I stand by my point that leniency for criminals will breed more vigilantes.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:58 pm to SallysHuman
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I stand by my point that leniency for criminals will breed more vigilantes
What's the leniency to the criminal that occurred here? Or would have occurred here if they weren't shot?
They still could have been prosecuted. Whether the local DA does so or not is a political matter. "Justice" didn't require a car chase and bullets flying away from the man's property.
This post was edited on 8/20/25 at 4:00 pm
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