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re: Easter's Pagan origin...

Posted on 4/16/17 at 8:18 pm to
Posted by League Champs
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Posted on 4/16/17 at 8:18 pm to
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so, this ISN'T common knowledge? i would like to think that most Christians know the origins of their holidays and how they actually have been adopted from pagan rituals/holidays/celebrations...

but then again, that blind "Sunday school" faith doe...

Wait, you think the Christians adopted this date from the Pagans, but that the Pagans couldn't have adopted this date from the worshippers of Yahweh, that they originally separated from, when they became pagans?



Posted by Amazing Moves
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Posted on 4/16/17 at 8:42 pm to
So this religious practice was likely practiced and borrowed from the Canaanites who worshiped this tribal god?

ok
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/16/17 at 10:27 pm to
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So this religious practice was likely practiced and borrowed from the Canaanites who worshiped this tribal god?

ok

I'll type more slowly for you to understand

Passover occurred around 1300 BC. It almost 3000 years before anyone goes back in time and finds certain people around 1000 BC to call pagans

So those people (who did not call themselves pagan) came from and separated out of the original monotheistic belief of Yahweh. So of course, the same dates, seasonal celebrations were brought forward, and renamed or altered toward their new cultural beliefs

Translation: Christians and so called pagans come from the same roots, and therefore have always shared beliefs and dates from their origin
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
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Posted on 4/16/17 at 11:57 pm to
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Passover occurred around 1300 BC. It almost 3000 years before anyone goes back in time and finds certain people around 1000 BC to call pagans

So those people (who did not call themselves pagan) came from and separated out of the original monotheistic belief of Yahweh. So of course, the same dates, seasonal celebrations were brought forward, and renamed or altered toward their new cultural beliefs

Translation: Christians and so called pagans come from the same roots, and therefore have always shared beliefs and dates from their origin



Posted by Sayre
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/17/17 at 12:54 am to
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League Champs


Someone here really has no clue what a pagan religion is or where the term came from.
This post was edited on 4/17/17 at 12:55 am
Posted by fr33manator
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 4/17/17 at 6:31 am to
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I'll type more slowly for you to understand

Passover occurred around 1300 BC. It almost 3000 years before anyone goes back in time and finds certain people around 1000 BC to call pagans

So those people (who did not call themselves pagan) came from and separated out of the original monotheistic belief of Yahweh. So of course, the same dates, seasonal celebrations were brought forward, and renamed or altered toward their new cultural beliefs

Translation: Christians and so called pagans come from the same roots, and therefore have always shared beliefs and dates from their origin



I don't think you have any sort of real comprehension of time, or ancient peoples, or religion, and how any of them work.

I'm taken aback by the sheer amount of stupididty on display.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/17/17 at 6:45 am to
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:39 am to
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I'm taken aback by the sheer amount of stupididty on display.

Other than the fact that these claims didn't even exist until the 20th century, its comical that the Christian religion was supposedly stealing from them 2000 years ago.
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Jews were familiar with other deities and found them abhorrent. Therefore, there is no trace of dying and rising gods in first century Palestine. For Jews, the resurrection would not take place until the general resurrection of all the dead at the end of the world. It boggles the imagination to think that the original disciples would have suddenly and sincerely come to believe that Jesus of Nazareth was risen from the dead, just because they had heard of pagan myths about dying and rising seasonal gods.

Yet the fact that 'pagan' religions of the time might have altered the believe of resurrection from that pre-established and written documentation of Jewish belief is impossible
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The term pagan was first used in the 4th century, by early Christian community, in reference to populations of the Roman world who worshipped many deities. The term was used in the same manner as "polytheism" was in use by Judaism

Pagan and paganism was a pejorative for the same polytheistic group, implying "inferiority"

Writing a book 3000 years later, is not knowledge of religious creed. Its propaganda due to confirmation bias
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Scholars have come to doubt whether there really were any myths of dying and rising gods at all. In the Osiris myth, one of the best known symbolic seasonal myths, Osiris does not really come back to life, as was claimed with Jesus. He lived in a nether world

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There has been much scholarly debate as to the origin of the term paganism, especially since no one before the 20th century self-identified as a pagan. In the 19th century, paganism was re-adopted as a self-descriptor by members of various artistic groups inspired by the ancient world.

I mean do you really believe that? Seriously? Where are you getting this stuff? It is just sensationalist junk, not serious scholarship. Show me ANY actual passages written between the year 33AD to 1776 where a historian made the claim of Christian beliefs deriving from pagan origins?

The pagans were mercilessly chased from a public presence. No one on their right mind would have said, "hey let's adopt this pagan worship and call it Christian". And if someone had, it would have been rooted out by those adopting Christianity from another region, who never held those same pagan beliefs
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