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re: Chicago mayor is appealing for calm after releasing video of Adam Toledo shooting

Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:28 pm to
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
8885 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:28 pm to
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Almost 1000 people shot in a "gun free" city.


This gets repeated all the time, and it's not true.

quote:
If you live in the city of Chicago, you can own firearms. However, you have to meet certain conditions:

You must be 21 years old or older
You must possess a firearm owner’s identification card (FOID)
You must have a concealed carry license if you intend to remove your gun from your home


Beyond this, people don't understand that Indiana, literally a short ride east on I-80 from Chicago, with some of the laxest gun purchase laws in the United States, is where the gangs in Chicago get a very large portion of their guns and ammo.

Needless to say, it's quite a lucrative 'business' opportunity for someone to buy guns in IN, drive 30 minutes, and flip them for huge profits to gang members who can't legally buy or possess in Chicago.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
34603 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:28 pm to
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the cop told him to drop the gun, and the kid apparently obliged, right?

When a cop says drop the gun, I don’t think they mean to completely obscure the fact that you’re dropping it and the turning around 8 milliseconds later.

Kinda defeats the whole purpose of dropping the gun if it’s not visible and apparent that you’re dropping it.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104884 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:29 pm to
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Yeah, i just saw the streamable link with the security camera angle. Came back to apologize, I see now that he wasn't as unarmed as I had initially believed. The kid didn't know any better, but pulling the gun out of his pocket put the cop in an unwinnable situation, he had to shoot. I feel sorry for the kid and pissed at the thug who pawned the gun off on him.
Agreed

quote:

Again, I spoke too soon. In the words of Coach O, "put this one on me"
I add you to the men of honor list with Ed

Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90110 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:29 pm to
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Well you are lying saying he did what the cop told him to do. So there is that


You have a single still frame with a gun as a cop is chasing him down the fricking street. I’m not arguing the cop wasn’t rightfully scared, but this idea he saw the gun as the kid turned to follow his directions is hysterical. The kid is dead. The cop seemed genuinely remorseful. The cop was probably scared for his life.

All of that can be true while still admitinf the instructions were a death sentence in that situation regardless.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 8:32 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104884 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:30 pm to
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All of that can be true while still admiring the instructions were a death sentence in that situation regardless.

No they weren’t you are literally lying

The cop said stop and drop the gun. If he does that he is alive

THE COP NEVER SAID TURN AND FACE ME WITH THE GUN.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
35133 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:30 pm to
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
58421 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:34 pm to
Wait is everyone saying that the cop didn’t see him drop the gun or the guy turned with the gun? I’m legitimately lost on this one now

I can’t find the video in this mess of a thread
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 8:35 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104884 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:34 pm to
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Wait is everyone saying that the cop didn’t see him drop the gun or the guy turned with the gun?
Well yeh, because he did turn around with the gun



This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 8:36 pm
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
58421 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:35 pm to
God damn I’m ready for the weekend, my brain is mush
Posted by BeYou
DFW
Member since Oct 2012
6036 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:36 pm to
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Wait is everyone saying that the cop didn’t see him drop the gun or the guy turned with the gun? I’m legitimately lost on this one now


The cop didn't see him drop the gun - we can't see him drop it on the bodycam.

As the kid turned, he dropped the gun. My guess is the police officer saw the gun in the hand before the kid turned, the kid turns, dropped the gun behind the fence as he is turning (not known to the cop), and raises his hands up (cop thinking he is raising his hands with his hand on the gun). A tough spot for the cop to be in.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 8:37 pm
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
58421 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:37 pm to
Yeah I got it, I was mixing up the camera angles in my head and wasn’t sure which one showed what first
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104884 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:37 pm to
Bottom line is you can’t freaking turn around there. Which is why the cop didn’t say “turn around”

Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90110 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:39 pm to
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The cop said stop and drop the gun. If he does that he is alive



No the frick he didn’t.

In the 6 seconds before he was shot the cop said...

“Unaudible, STOP!”

“STOP right fricking now”

Kid stops.

“Hey, show me your fricking hands” and the kid then turns around as he’s raising his hands.

“Drop” gunfire.

That’s it. That’s the video.

I’m not remotely suggesting holding a gun in a police chase is a good idea. All I’m saying is the directions we’re going to get him killed. Period.

Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:40 pm to
I have not read this thread, but frick the Chicago mayor who cares about nothing other than this case. 50 people shot in a weekend is nothing but someone shot by the police is news
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104884 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:40 pm to
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I’m not remotely suggesting holding a gun in a police chase is a good idea. All I’m saying is the directions we’re going to get him killed. Period.


So, once again you are absolutely lying , he didn’t follow the cops orders. Turning around, especially turning around holding the gun wasn’t in the orders

Following the orders would have him still alive
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 8:42 pm
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:47 pm to
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have not read this thread, but frick the Chicago mayor who cares about nothing other than this case. 50 people shot in a weekend is nothing but someone shot by the police is news


frick the mayor for not pointing out that this kid had a gun

Seems like an important point
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90110 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:47 pm to
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So, once again you are absolutely lying , he didn’t follow the cops orders. Turning around, especially turning around holding the gun wasn’t in the orders

Following the orders would have him still alive


The kid has stopped with his back to the cop. The cop is slowing down. He hollers:

“Show me your fricking hands.”

The majority of people are turning around to show you their hands, yet pride thinks the instructions were perfectly clear.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104884 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:48 pm to
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The majority of people are turning around to show you their hands
Um, no

Especially not turning around with the gun in my hand

At least you are finally admitting you were lying when you said he followed the cops orders
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 8:49 pm
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:49 pm to
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I’m not remotely suggesting holding a gun in a police chase is a good idea. All I’m saying is the directions we’re going to get him killed. Period.


You left out the part about taking the gun out of your pocket and trying to be slick and dump it behind a fence to get out of the crime you just committed

Cop saw the butt of the gun and his quick turn

It wasn’t as slick of a move as the kid thought
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 8:50 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
62078 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:49 pm to
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The majority of people are turning around to show you their hands, yet pride thinks the instructions were perfectly clear. ?



As a non moron, I realize that turning around with a gun in my hand would likely get me killed.

This kid obviously didn't realize that but that isnt the cop's fault.
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