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re: Chicago mayor is appealing for calm after releasing video of Adam Toledo shooting

Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:29 pm to
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:29 pm to
Looks and sounds to me like the sheepdogs just got rid of another wolf.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:30 pm to
Cop isn't going to be convicted of anything.

frick that 21 year old though.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104884 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:32 pm to
Every person from the first 5 pages of this thread has disappeared with the new videos

Classic
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 6:33 pm
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:35 pm to
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Has anyone posted this video from behind the fence of him tossing the gun moments before he's shot?

LINK



I hadn't seen that gif till just now.

That cop is 100% justified and 100% will get off.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104884 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:36 pm to
Ed, sao, everyone from the beginning of the thread where’ y’all at?
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:38 pm to
Is it irresponsible for the mayor to release this video with no explanation? Not pointing out the gun or previous crime?
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:39 pm to
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The video from behind the fence is exculpatory for the cop. The kids has his back to the cop and is clearly digging a gun out of his pockets milliseconds before he turns around and faces the cop.



More than milliseconds. He's digging for it the last 10-12 feet or so of his flee as he passes the metal gate. Then when he gets it out, he tosses it behind the wooden fence as he turns to face the cop.

The cop sees him digging as the pursuit slows and has a split second to decide if the kid tosses it or raises it.

Sorry, but no-one on earth is taught to wait till you know it's raised at you before firing in self defense.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 6:41 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104884 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:40 pm to
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More than milliseconds. He's digging for it the last 10-12 feet or so of his flee as he passes the metal gate. Then when he get's it out, he tosses it behind the wooden fence as he turns to face the cop.

The cop sees him digging as the pursuit slows and has a split second to decide if the kid tosses it or raises it.

Sorry, but no-one on earth is taught to wait till you know it's raised at your before firing in self defense.
Ed, is this a troll too?
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
58421 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:41 pm to
The second gif makes it look a worse but I still believe the cop shot too soon. I know we aren’t going to agree on that though so there’s not much of a point in going back and forth with you.

Like I said earlier, it’s a shitty situation from either perspective
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:42 pm to
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Ed, is this a troll too?


Damn bro, I must have really hurt your feelings
Posted by bushwacker
youngsville
Member since Feb 2010
3876 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:42 pm to
When are people gonna learn its never a good idea to run from a cop? These cops arent well trained, make shite money, and constantly deal with the lowest of society. They aint perfect. Resisting just increases odds of cops fricking up
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
34262 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:43 pm to
quote:

In police training, what do you think they should teach to do when a criminal turns and faces them with a gun?

A. Wait and see if the criminal shoots you

B. Shoot first


Well, it appears in this case that the cop told the kid to a) drop the gun, and b) put his hands up...which according to the video he did. I think if the perp is doing what you told them to that does not mean you then shoot them.

Others may be able to confirm, but I think that a criminal holding a gun does not by itself give you the ok to shoot them. If they start to raise it toward you, or shoot at you, of course.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104884 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:43 pm to
No earlier you thought I was a ridiculous troll for even thinking different. Your tune has changed greatly. And the fact you see it going either way shows how justified he was in a split second life or death situation

You are saying it’s a tough situation behind a computer. Imagine it live
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104884 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:44 pm to
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they start to raise it toward you, or shoot at you, of course.


you wait for that and your dead
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
58421 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:45 pm to
I’ll admit I jumped the gun too quickly on that. I can understand that it’s a very difficult decision to make in real time and still think the cop shot him too early
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 6:48 pm
Posted by Starcrunch37
Member since Apr 2021
115 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:45 pm to
Why did beetlejuice throw the cop under the bus the lil thug had a gun and could have killed the cop. If it’s me or a kid I’m sorry but the kid is a goner
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
34262 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:46 pm to
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you wait for that and your dead


You asked what the training was. I said I didn't know but in those cases the obvious response is to shoot.
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15839 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:47 pm to
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I mean I hate to say it, but after watching this video I think the shooting was necessary.


You guys are making a case for a cop to shoot someone just for possessing a firearm. Are you actually thinking this through?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104884 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:48 pm to
quote:

I’ll admit I jumped the gun too quickly on that

A man of honor

Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
58421 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:49 pm to
Being right on the internet at all times isn’t some trophy I’m dying to have

Your also still a shitty troll though
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