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re: California $20 minimum wage = 18,000 jobs lost
Posted on 7/21/25 at 1:42 pm to LouisianaLady
Posted on 7/21/25 at 1:42 pm to LouisianaLady
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that rare kid who does want a job and has the time to work who is also living at home should not be making the same amount of money doing the same job as a single parent with 2 kids
This is the stupidest thing I’ll read on this site at least this month (which is saying something)
But if we use your logic, the person with no kids should make more because they almost certainly call out of work or deal with less shite while on the clock than the person with kids
Posted on 7/21/25 at 1:44 pm to CatfishJohn
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I have a colleague that consults for them. They are planning to halt future investments in California that aren't already budgeted, outside of one-off's for select locations. Also considering shuttering several locations in CA. They are spinning it publicly so Californians don't get too mad, but that is the long-term plan.
I do financial consulting as well. And like your friend, I go around disclosing my clients and there intentions for people to share via the internet
Posted on 7/21/25 at 2:01 pm to ATrillionaire
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Literally every link to a "study" or "data" in that article is garbage.
ChatGPT fact check:
The headline is partially accurate, but it only tells half the story. Here’s a clearer breakdown:
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? What DID the NBER study actually find?
• The National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) released a working paper analyzing California’s $20 fast-food minimum wage (AB 1228), which was signed in September 2023 and took effect in April 2024.
• Their analysis used U.S. Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages data and found:
• A 2.7% decrease in fast-food employment in California relative to the rest of the U.S. from September 2023 to September 2024.
• When adjusting for trends and comparing to other industries, the decline extended to 3.2–3.9%.
• Their median estimate roughly equates to a loss of 18,000 fast-food jobs in California versus a counterfactual scenario ? ?.
So, yes, the NBER study supports the claim of around 18,000 job losses.
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?? But it’s not the only study—and not the full story
• Other analyses—including one from UC Berkeley’s Institute for Research on Labor and Employment (IRLE)—found no significant employment decline, along with gains in wages and minimal price increases ?.
• The Los Angeles Times also reported that early data “found no measurable job losses, significant wage gains” after the law ?.
• A commentary in CalMatters highlighted the debate: both sets of studies use the same federal BLS data, but diverge based on methodology and assumptions ?.
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?? Why such different conclusions?
1. Methodology Differences
• The NBER paper uses a triple-difference method comparing CA fast food to fast food elsewhere and to non-minimum-wage-intensive industries.
• Berkeley’s study looks across restaurants and prices and focuses on worker outcomes.
2. Timing and Data Choice
• Some argue the NBER’s period (Sept–Sept) captures early layoffs and closures, while Berkeley’s covers a longer adaptation period.
3. Outcome Focus
• NBER emphasizes job loss; Berkeley emphasizes wage increases, reduced turnover, and modest price effects (~3.7%) ? ?.
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?? Fact-Check Summary
• Yes: A credible NBER study estimated ~18,000 job losses (2.7–3.9% of CA fast-food employment relative to a baseline).
• No: That figure is not definitive. Other well-regarded analyses found little to no negative employment impact and highlight benefits like higher wages and stability.
• The claim expresses one legitimate perspective supported by solid evidence, but it’s far from conclusive.
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?? Bottom line
The claim that California’s fast-food minimum wage led to 18,000 job losses reflects the findings of one respected economic study—but other rigorous research contests that conclusion, showing mixed or negligible employment effects. A full picture requires acknowledging this ongoing academic disagreement.
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