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re: Biker Shootout at the Twin Peaks in Waco, TX
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:08 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:08 am to Darth_Vader
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All I'm saying is I don't think we're getting the whole truth of what went down. What i find disturbing is the facts of the story keep changing. The cops rounded up almost all the potential witnesses and have basically shut them up. They've rounded up people who were not even there. And now are not threatening anyone on a motorcycle with freaking snipers.
This! Have there even been ANY witness interviews on the news? The cops 100% fricked up in a big way which is why they are so scared and putting snipers on the roofs.
BTW I assume I am right with my earlier guess but you don't need to reply and my lips are sealed.
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Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:09 am to Agforlife
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True, but if I go buy a green on white patch with something that looks like a whiskey bottle on it and go rob a store because I know the Booze fighters (a non 1% club) will be blamed for it, you can kinda see their point. But yeah it solve a lot of shite if we're to happen.
I agree and in my opinion that should be the only time a club has a problem with what someone else is wearing, if they're actually wearing the patches of their club unauthorized. But you've been in this game a minute like I have and know that never happens. What does happen is clubs get pissed off over the fact another group even wants to fly anything at all, like it's any of their business, or they get pissed that they have the wrong thing on their bottom rocker. It's stupid, it's petty, and it's caused the vast majority of the problems in the MC world since the 60's.
If the clubs, and COC's for that matter, who are so freaking sensitive over what other clubs are flying, or who they "say" can or can't be a club, would finally wise up and say "OK, unless someone is out flying our patches and trying to pass themselves off as us, we don't care or have a problem with anyone flying their own patches. Live and left live. " the vast majority of the problems in the MC would would vanish overnight.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:13 am to BigSECfan
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No. I don't like pathetic childish adult menaces who wanna call themselves "bikers". Like I said, 40 plus years riding. In shite you might not have the balls to do. Yet the "bikers" wanna make all the rest of us who ride look like pathetic losers. Lose the term "BIKERS". No more rep for any patch any more.
Makes us all look bad. And one more thing. Work on being a more well rounded person. Eff your little "BIKER" fantasy. What else you got. Stop the stupid help mummy crap
Dude, you don't know anything about me or who I ride with. I'm not trying to make anyone look like anything. Stop trying to act like a badass in here. You're just coming across as a bitter loser with a biker complex.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:14 am to Darth_Vader
I agree with you. I also think that the vast majority of MC's could do a hell of a lot of good if they disassociated themselves from the criminal element. I'm not sure I've read a strong statement yet from an MC condemning the Bandidos or any other criminal organization involved in this incident. The non-criminal MC's almost bring it upon themselves by associating with MC's that proudly declare themsleves criminals. Why would all of the non-criminal MC's be a part of a COC that includes a group like the Bandidos? If the vast majority are non-criminal, why not start your own form of a COC that doesn't allow the criminal element to take part?
By voluntarily and knowingly associating with that element, you are just asking to be lumped in with them.
By voluntarily and knowingly associating with that element, you are just asking to be lumped in with them.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:15 am to Darth_Vader
It sounds like there was a parking lot fight, one dude may have possibly pulled a gun, and the cops shot everyone that was involved in the fight. Now they are doing anything they can to cover their asses and it's a HUGE win for the government and the media because they can say that white people killed 9 people in a crowded restaurant shootout and blacks aren't the only animals on our streets.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:16 am to Darth_Vader
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I agree and in my opinion that should be the only time a club has a problem with what someone else is wearing, if they're actually wearing the patches of their club unauthorized. But you've been in this game a minute like I have and know that never happens. What does happen is clubs get pissed off over the fact another group even wants to fly anything at all, like it's any of their business, or they get pissed that they have the wrong thing on their bottom rocker. It's stupid, it's petty, and it's caused the vast majority of the problems in the MC world since the 60's.
If the clubs, and COC's for that matter, who are so freaking sensitive over what other clubs are flying, or who they "say" can or can't be a club, would finally wise up and say "OK, unless someone is out flying our patches and trying to pass themselves off as us, we don't care or have a problem with anyone flying their own patches. Live and left live. " the vast majority of the problems in the MC would would vanish overnight.
This is true but the sad thing is people have been fighting and killing each other over a name, a crest, a tartan color, or just a cool design someone thought was wearable for as long as people have walked the earth. It's stupid and childish (and one of the reasons I don't wear a patch) but I don't see it ending in foreseeable future. :sigh:
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:19 am to Agforlife
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This is true but the sad thing is people have been fighting and killing each other over a name, a crest, a tartan color, or just a cool design someone thought was wearable for as long as people have walked the earth. It's stupid and childish (and one of the reasons I don't wear a patch) but I don't see it ending in foreseeable future. :sigh:
maybe one good thing that might come out of this is people in power might finally realize it's time to change or risk seeing our way of life go away all together. I can hope anyway.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:22 am to lsu480
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This! Have there even been ANY witness interviews on the news? The cops 100% fricked up in a big way which is why they are so scared and putting snipers on the roofs.
I read an article with some whort statements from some of the waitresses but if LE is doing their job they're getting them to keep quiet. No need to do news interviews. All that does is give a defense attorney ammunition for cross examination. The short statements I saw seemed to indicate that there was some shite that went down inside and they also said something about a number (not 170) of the bikers having pulled guns.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:22 am to lsu480
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It sounds like there was a parking lot fight, one dude may have possibly pulled a gun, and the cops shot everyone that was involved in the fight. Now they are doing anything they can to cover their asses and it's a HUGE win for the government and the media because they can say that white people killed 9 people in a crowded restaurant shootout and blacks aren't the only animals on our streets.
I think it's entirely possible what you're thinking is what happened. Or it could be something between what you're saying and what the cops are claiming.
The one thing about all of this that I feel certain of though is that of the 170 people sitting in jail right now, the majority are totally innocent of doing anything other than being biker trash in the eyes of the cops.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:25 am to Darth_Vader
Of course the majority are innocent and everyone knows that but they are holding them hostage so they can't talk. They will eventually let them go if they agree not to speak about it, if they do they will be charged in the RICO case. Have you seen even one eyewitness interview? One that supports what the cops are saying? This is nothing more than a huge coverup and anyone that speaks out will have the book thrown at them or their family members.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:26 am to reedus23
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I agree with you. I also think that the vast majority of MC's could do a hell of a lot of good if they disassociated themselves from the criminal element. I'm not sure I've read a strong statement yet from an MC condemning the Bandidos or any other criminal organization involved in this incident. The non-criminal MC's almost bring it upon themselves by associating with MC's that proudly declare themsleves criminals. Why would all of the non-criminal MC's be a part of a COC that includes a group like the Bandidos? If the vast majority are non-criminal, why not start your own form of a COC that doesn't allow the criminal element to take part?
By voluntarily and knowingly associating with that element, you are just asking to be lumped in with them.
Reedus if only it were that simple, not all 1%ers are criminals but yes there are criminals in 1% clubs, and there lies the rub, because they will revert to what they know to protect what they perceive to be their power. Yes a lot of what started out as a brotherhood of kindred spirits has been bastardized(sp) into something much darker and unfortunately they are willing to do things to others. Therefore the others may do some things they don't care for(not illegal but distasteful) to keep their brotherhood alive.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:27 am to reedus23
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I read an article with some whort statements from some of the waitresses but if LE is doing their job they're getting them to keep quiet. No need to do news interviews. All that does is give a defense attorney ammunition for cross examination. The short statements I saw seemed to indicate that there was some shite that went down inside and they also said something about a number (not 170) of the bikers having pulled guns.
At this point a news station would pay tens of thousands of dollars for an interview with a witness, there is a reason nobody has done one.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:30 am to Agforlife
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Reedus if only it were that simple, not all 1%ers are criminals but yes there are criminals in 1% clubs, and there lies the rub, because they will revert to what they know to protect what they perceive to be their power. Yes a lot of what started out as a brotherhood of kindred spirits has been bastardized(sp) into something much darker and unfortunately they are willing to do things to others. Therefore the others may do some things they don't care for(not illegal but distasteful) to keep their brotherhood alive.
Well put.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:30 am to Darth_Vader
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Or it could be something between
Almost always the case and probably the case here.
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The one thing about all of this that I feel certain of though is that of the 170 people sitting in jail right now, the majority are totally innocent of doing anything other than being biker trash in the eyes of the cops.
Don't know about majority but surely a chunk will have charges dropped.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:32 am to lsu480
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Of course the majority are innocent and everyone knows that but they are holding them hostage so they can't talk. They will eventually let them go if they agree not to speak about it, if they do they will be charged in the RICO case. Have you seen even one eyewitness interview? One that supports what the cops are saying? This is nothing more than a huge coverup and anyone that speaks out will have the book thrown at them or their family members.
Of all the things about this story, it's the 170 in jail, some who were not even there when this thing went down, that bothers me the most. That and the draconian bail set to ensure few, if any, can even make bail. It smacks of trying to keep them quiet to cover-up whatever happened.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:36 am to reedus23
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Don't know about majority but surely a chunk will have charges dropped.
I hope. But they still have their bikes and from what I understand, plan on selling them.
And if they start talking RICO, then all bests are off. RICO is a bullshite law where all you've got to do is know someone that's committed a crime. Even if you had nothing to do with the crime or even knew they'd done the crime, and you're guilty.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:37 am to Darth_Vader
lol. I rather respect Waco for sending the message that they will protect civilians and the 99%ers territory from this 1%er childishness.
It's gonna be alright. They aren't going to hold these biker children forever. Some will get a slap on the hand and be set free(after they've been given time to consider the repurcutions of their choices in jail). Others who played a significant part in this childish melee which everyone involved should be ashamed of including the franchise owner, will probably do some real time. Gonna cost a lot to pay for all this so...... lol. Consider your choices as you write the check mr. Part time biker full time mailman or factory worker. The lessors involved will be alright.
I know I'll never see riders in the same light. Their rep is severely tarnished. Reflecting, it seems so silly. colors. Sheesh. How pathetic. Like playing dress up in a super man suit.
No offense but yeah. I love the way Waco handled this. Short term seems kinda over the top, but they sent the right message long term.
It's gonna be alright. They aren't going to hold these biker children forever. Some will get a slap on the hand and be set free(after they've been given time to consider the repurcutions of their choices in jail). Others who played a significant part in this childish melee which everyone involved should be ashamed of including the franchise owner, will probably do some real time. Gonna cost a lot to pay for all this so...... lol. Consider your choices as you write the check mr. Part time biker full time mailman or factory worker. The lessors involved will be alright.
I know I'll never see riders in the same light. Their rep is severely tarnished. Reflecting, it seems so silly. colors. Sheesh. How pathetic. Like playing dress up in a super man suit.
No offense but yeah. I love the way Waco handled this. Short term seems kinda over the top, but they sent the right message long term.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 11:41 am
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:49 am to Agforlife
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Reedus if only it were that simple, not all 1%ers are criminals but yes there are criminals in 1% clubs, and there lies the rub, because they will revert to what they know to protect what they perceive to be their power. Yes a lot of what started out as a brotherhood of kindred spirits has been bastardized(sp) into something much darker and unfortunately they are willing to do things to others. Therefore the others may do some things they don't care for(not illegal but distasteful) to keep their brotherhood alive.
That's like saying their are good Crips and bad Crips. One does not join the Crips or join a 1% club because they want to do charity work or because they are good people. Even if they have no criminal record yet, they know fully well what they are getting into when they join a group like the Crips or a 1% MC.
I just think the legitimate MC's are missing an opportunity here to distance themselves from what really are just criminal thugs who happen to like to ride motorcycles. And it can be done. The local Bikers for Babies would never knowingly allow for instance the Hell's Angels to ride in their event. If the March of Dimes can try to avoid associating with the criminal element then surely the Christian Brotherhood MC can too. Yeah, I made that MC up.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:50 am to BigSECfan
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lol. I rather respect Waco for sending the message that they will protect civilians and the 99%ers territory from this 1%er childishness.
It's gonna be alright. They aren't going to hold these biker children forever. Some will get a slap on the hand and be set free(after they've been given time to consider the repurcutions of their choices in jail). Others who played a significant part in this childish melee which everyone involved should be ashamed of including the franchise owner, will probably do some real time. Gonna cost a lot to pay for all this so...... lol. Consider your choices as you write the check mr. Part time biker full time mailman or factory worker. The lessors involved will be alright.
I know I'll never see riders in the same light. Their rep is severely tarnished. Reflecting, it seems so silly. colors. Sheesh. How pathetic. Like playing dress up in a super man suit.
No offense but yeah. I love the way Waco handled this. Short term seems kinda over the top, but they sent the right message long term.
I don't know which, but one of these has to be true:
You were publicly humiliated by a biker or group of bikers.
You got your arse kicked by a biker or bikers.
Your old lady fricked or sucked a biker.
Whichever of those is the case that led you to obsessively loathe bikers, take your hostility and direct it at the guys who actually crossed you. The rest of us have nothing to do with your over the top bitterness.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 11:51 am
Posted on 5/21/15 at 12:00 pm to Darth_Vader
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I hope. But they still have their bikes and from what I understand, plan on selling them.
I could be way wrong so take it with a grain of salt but I didn't think that forfeiture laws applied unless or until there was a conviction.
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And if they start talking RICO, then all bests are off. RICO is a bullshite law where all you've got to do is know someone that's committed a crime. Even if you had nothing to do with the crime or even knew they'd done the crime, and you're guilty.
I have some issues with the way laws are written too but the bottom line is, but I would bet that everyone there knew what the Bandidos are all about. So yeah, I have some issues with the way some laws are written but at the same time, the simple answer is don't associate with known criminals if you don't want others to associate you with them. Just saying the blame doesn't all fall on one side.
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