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re: Autism scam in Minnesota

Posted on 12/13/24 at 2:17 pm to
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 2:17 pm to
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Autism has always been a scam. Your kid is introverted? On the spectrum! That child down the street has odd hobbies? Autistic! I want attention on Facebook? My child has autism!



I mean I've had my fair share of folks with the "I saw on (insert social media) that this symptom means I have Autism" but that doesn't mean they meet a clinical diagnosis. And while the spectrum has been increased, it's not that easy to get diagnosed with ASD if the clinician is actually following the protocol to do so.

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The diagnostic criteria for "autism" is a joke. Same for any other mental illness.


How would you like folks to diagnose people with "mental illness" if there isn't a generally standard criteria?

This is the DSM-V Criteria for ASD:

A. Persistent deficits in social communication and social interaction across multiple contexts, as manifested by the following, currently or by history (examples are illustrative, not exhaustive, see text):

Deficits in social-emotional reciprocity, ranging, for example, from abnormal social approach and failure of normal back-and-forth conversation; to reduced sharing of interests, emotions, or affect; to failure to initiate or respond to social interactions.
Deficits in nonverbal communicative behaviors used for social interaction, ranging, for example, from poorly integrated verbal and nonverbal communication; to abnormalities in eye contact and body language or deficits in understanding and use of gestures; to a total lack of facial expressions and nonverbal communication.
Deficits in developing, maintaining, and understanding relationships, ranging, for example, from difficulties adjusting behavior to suit various social contexts; to difficulties in sharing imaginative play or in making friends; to absence of interest in peers.
Specify current severity: Severity is based on social communication impairments and restricted repetitive patterns of behavior.

B. Restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, or activities, as manifested by at least two of the following, currently or by history (examples are illustrative, not exhaustive; see text):

Stereotyped or repetitive motor movements, use of objects, or speech (e.g., simple motor stereotypies, lining up toys or flipping objects, echolalia, idiosyncratic phrases).
Insistence on sameness, inflexible adherence to routines, or ritualized patterns or verbal nonverbal behavior (e.g., extreme distress at small changes, difficulties with transitions, rigid thinking patterns, greeting rituals, need to take same route or eat food every day).
Highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in intensity or focus (e.g, strong attachment to or preoccupation with unusual objects, excessively circumscribed or perseverative interest).
Hyper- or hyporeactivity to sensory input or unusual interests in sensory aspects of the environment (e.g., apparent indifference to pain/temperature, adverse response to specific sounds or textures, excessive smelling or touching of objects, visual fascination with lights or movement).
Specify current severity: Severity is based on social communication impairments and restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior.

C. Symptoms must be present in the early developmental period (but may not become fully manifest until social demands exceed limited capacities or may be masked by learned strategies in later life).

D. Symptoms cause clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of current functioning.

E. These disturbances are not better explained by intellectual disability (intellectual developmental disorder) or global developmental delay. Intellectual disability and autism spectrum disorder frequently co-occur; to make comorbid diagnoses of autism spectrum disorder and intellectual disability, social communication should be below that expected for general developmental level.

Note: Individuals with a well-established DSM-IV diagnosis of autistic disorder, Asperger’s disorder, or pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified should be given the diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder. Individuals who have marked deficits in social communication, but whose symptoms do not otherwise meet criteria for autism spectrum disorder, should be evaluated for social (pragmatic) communication disorder.

Specify if:

With or without accompanying intellectual impairment
With or without accompanying language impairment
(Coding note: Use additional code to identify the associated medical or genetic condition.)
Associated with another neurodevelopmental, mental, or behavioral disorder
(Coding note: Use additional code[s] to identify the associated neurodevelopmental, mental, or behavioral disorder[s].)
With catatonia
Associated with a known medical or genetic condition or environmental factor
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 2:19 pm
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 2:24 pm to
Getting an actual clinical diagnosis is far different than posting a score from an online quiz on facebook.

There are tons of the later, who expect to be treated exactly like the former-- and yes, for those people, its an easy sympathy grift-- as a parent who has to deal with medically significant, life impairing autism in a child, I hope those people get anally violated by barbed demon phallus in the afterlife.

Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 2:27 pm to
Everyone thinks their kids are autistic these days.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 2:53 pm to
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if the clinician is actually following the protocol to do so.


You just solved the whole equation. Now, axe yourself, where is the money at? Is it on the side of, "Ma'am, your son isn't autistic. He's just awkward." Or is it on the side of, "I'm sorry, ma'am, but your son tests as autistic. My assistant will explain to you our treatment and therapy plan"? Mix in some good old white woman attention whoring (My Paxon/Jackson/Braxton is my world but I'm a single mother!) and that's a good chunk of the metastatic growth of ASD diagnosed in the last 15 years.
Posted by i am dan
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 2:56 pm to
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I've been around dozens who have been diagnosed. But, you are correct. I haven't been around many who were truly autistic.


Either you're thinking of ADHD and not autism here in your little act ... or you're just dumb.
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 2:58 pm
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 2:57 pm to
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Autism has always been a scam


Where did you get your medical degree from?

Its like a lot of things.. ADHD, etc, etc. There are people who legit have ADHD, does that mean everyone diagnosed with it has it? It becomes watered down and that hurts those who really has these issues.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 2:57 pm to
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You just solved the whole equation. Now, axe yourself, where is the money at? Is it on the side of, "Ma'am, your son isn't autistic. He's just awkward." Or is it on the side of, "I'm sorry, ma'am, but your son tests as autistic. My assistant will explain to you our treatment and therapy plan"? Mix in some good old white woman attention whoring (My Paxon/Jackson/Braxton is my world but I'm a single mother!) and that's a good chunk of the metastatic growth of ASD diagnosed in the last 15 years.


You should maybe see a therapist yourself.
Posted by momentoftruth87
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:08 pm to
He’s not wrong. Most of it is just odd kids at a young age and the parents have to have a reason for it. The kid then has more frequent doctors visits and counseling which then makes the kid worse, but it pays the doctors bills.
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 3:09 pm
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:08 pm to
Trust the experts
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:08 pm to
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He’s not wrong.


The frick he isn't
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:09 pm to
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Trust the experts


You very obviously aren't an expert here, so yea I'll trust them over your ignorance.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:12 pm to
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The frick he isn't


You think a kid can’t hear these conversations of them being weird or different and that in itself doesn’t affect the growth or confidence of the kid? I think it’s terrible parents put kids thru all this stuff and then send them to counseling.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:13 pm to
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You think a kid can’t hear these conversations of them being weird or different and that in itself doesn’t affect the growth or confidence of the kid? I think it’s terrible parents put kids thru all this stuff and then send them to counseling.


Even if I limited the discussion to this take (which I don't even really agree with btw), he said much more than that.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:14 pm to
That’s fine. You should also fairly acknowledge that it is about the money.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:17 pm to
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That’s fine. You should also fairly acknowledge that it is about the money.


this is not close to all he said though. OS no, I'm not going to say he's right. There are absolutely sleazebags gaming teh system. That's true for pretty much all systems. I don't know that you'll find anyone here that disagrees with that. When someone says "all autism is a scam," that person is a fricking dumbass.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:22 pm to
The problem is that’s it’s a spectrum

Don’t get me wrong, autism is very real with the population who are nonverbal, and having stemming behaviors. but the population is are just developmentally delayed, Asberger’s, or sensation impairments are not autistic
Posted by Rick9Plus
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:26 pm to
Welfare reform backfired. When the money became tied to “disability”, suddenly it’s a race to the bottom to see who can be the weakest and least healthy. Also, well-meaning people who push for inclusiveness at all costs make it more appealing to have something wrong with you, to have special attention and accommodations (ex unlimited time to take otherwise timed tests.)

ETA i’m not talking about people who are actually disabled.
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 3:29 pm
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:53 pm to
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You just solved the whole equation. Now, axe yourself, where is the money at? Is it on the side of, "Ma'am, your son isn't autistic. He's just awkward." Or is it on the side of, "I'm sorry, ma'am, but your son tests as autistic. My assistant will explain to you our treatment and therapy plan"? Mix in some good old white woman attention whoring (My Paxon/Jackson/Braxton is my world but I'm a single mother!) and that's a good chunk of the metastatic growth of ASD diagnosed in the last 15 years.


How much do you think these providers are getting paid to simply diagnose a kid with ASD and see them in their office?

Trust me when I say keeping folks on the caseload with actual mental health issues isn’t an issue right now. I’m not saying there aren’t providers that abuse it. But majority don’t.
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 3:53 pm
Posted by UFFan
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Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:57 pm to
Even woke people can also never say anything good about Somalians. If you ask them to say something good about Somalians, they'll say "Quit calling them Somalians. They're Somalis."

Australia Aborigines are the only other group of people who wokesters can't find anything good to say about.
Posted by UFFan
Planet earth, Milky Way Galaxy
Member since Aug 2016
2666 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 4:00 pm to
Why does having a kid with autism increase your welfare payment at all?
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 4:48 pm
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