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re: Alton Sterling shooting - discussion thread

Posted on 7/7/16 at 4:46 pm to
Posted by ChewyDante
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 4:46 pm to
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In my opinipn, from what i saw, the officers are on top pinning the man down. Alton is struggling just trying to breath and get comfortable while he is being pinned down. One officer yells he has a gun as he is able to feel it in his pants. The other officer then pulls it out and shoot Alton as when he hears "gun" he automatically assumed Alton had the gun in his hands and was soon to shoot. So under his pretense, he shot asap in order to save he and his partners lives

Case in plint, this case could have been totally avoided. And it sucks that another man had to die because of misunderstandings.


Honestly, it looks like the cops showed even more restraint than your version of the video, which adds the speculation of the suspect simply trying to breathe rather than continuing his pattern of resistance to police commands.

They obviously attempted to detain him by nonlethal means, as we can see when they first used a taser. The taser did not take him down nor compel him to submit. An officer then took the opportunity to tackle him to the ground and try and detain him that way. He continued to resist and being as how he is a very large man, did so with great efficiency. While both cops attempt to gain control of his arms, one officer spots the weapon in his pants and shouts "gun, he's got a gun." The other officer draws his weapon, does NOT shoot, and issues a verbal command not to move or "I swear to God." At this point, the suspect CONTINUES to resist the other officer as you can see the struggling with his right arm. At his point, the officer who spotted the gun shouts "he's going for the gun!", effectively leaving the other officer little choice but to fire. You then hear, "Get down on the ground!" before another volly of shots.

Any way you slice it, the narrative that these cops were out looking to shoot someone first is completely invalidated by the video evidence. The entire confrontation could have been avoided by simple compliance at a number of possible junctures. The suspect KNEW he had a gun in his pocket yet still chose to resist. The only way left I can see to condemn the officers' conduct once in the ground struggle is if there is some clear evidence that he wasn't in fact fighting the officer from getting control of his right arm/hand or giving the officer reasonable fear that he was making a move for the gun.

Those are the facts as I see them based on the two videos we've seen. If someone wants to point out where I'm wrong please do, but that seems to be a pretty unbiased analysis of the videos as best I can see it.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 4:48 pm to
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Only one officer, Salamini, fired his weapon according to reports. LINK
Hmmm. Blane looked like the one fighting with Sterling, not the officer with the gun pointed on his chest. That is interesting
Posted by hg
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 4:49 pm to
I never tweet at all but decided to reply to all these ignorant tweets about how he was killed for selling CDs or how the guy hung in Atlanta was killed by the KKK. These people are livid lol
Posted by 14&Counting
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 4:52 pm to
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Wanted to post this picture here. Figured it would have a different reaction than the rant


the real question is where did Bugga get that car?
Posted by 14&Counting
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 4:54 pm to
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Those are the facts as I see them based on the two videos we've seen. If someone wants to point out where I'm wrong please do, but that seems to be a pretty unbiased analysis of the videos as best I can see it.


Spot-on.
Posted by LSUFAITHFUL
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 4:54 pm to
Wasn't Blane the one screaming gun, gun, he's going for his GUN? If Salamini fires in reliance on his partner telling him that, he is probably cleared. He has every right to rely on what his partner is saying and fire to protect his partner.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 4:58 pm to
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Wasn't Blane the one screaming gun, gun, he's going for his GUN? If Salamini fires in reliance on his partner telling him that, he is probably cleared. He has every right to rely on what his partner is saying and fire to protect his partner.

I will watch again. But Blane is not the one with the gun pointed "execution style at his chest." Blane is the one without the hat.
Posted by BLIZZAKE7
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 5:00 pm to
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Hmmm. Blane looked like the one fighting with Sterling, not the officer with the gun pointed on his chest. That is interesting



Blane was on top of him with his gun pointed at his chest.

I'm not sure that any words in the video were said by Blane, only Lake.
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 5:02 pm
Posted by LSUFAITHFUL
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 5:01 pm to
Oh, I must have them mixed up. I need to watch again too. I don't recall which one had a hat.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 5:01 pm to
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Blane was on top of him with his gun pointed at his chest.
Blane is the one without the hat in the video. It appears they both have guns drawn, but Blane is actually in the physical struggle with the "victim"


ETA: At least I think. I can see him yelling frick at the end with no hat on
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 5:03 pm
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 5:03 pm to
The dude on WBRZ.. Knokamoto??[sp] meeds to go... he is only in this for the fame....
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 5:05 pm to
Just watched the second video again. It honestly looks like Sterling had a hold of Blanes arms/hands and was pulling him down when the first shots were fired
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 5:05 pm to
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f Salamini fires in reliance on his partner telling him that, he is probably cleared. He has every right to rely on what his partner is saying and fire to protect his partner.


I'm not a cop, but by common sense he absolutely has to go on that. His partner is the one who spotted the gun and his partner is the one in a struggle to secure the man's right arm from reaching the gun in his right pocket. If he frantically shouts, "he's going for the gun" you have to shoot. I don't see how any reasonable person doesn't shoot and I can only imagine that it's police policy to shoot in that situation because they are going to base their procedures on reason.

Just like every other case where the facts and circumstances come out and lean towards a justified shoot, the naysayers will NEVER be ok with any outcome except the one that they decided was warranted prior to the facts and which fits their preconceived narrative.

If it is confirmed he had a gun in that pocket, and these are the only videos released or any other videos released fail to contradict the series of events as outlined, they are going to be cleared, and around and around we go as the BLM faction claim that this is further evidence of state sanctified murder and go batshit crazy. They may be the most irrational, nonobjective group I've ever witnessed in sociopolitics.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 5:06 pm to
The black guy On WBRZ says it will keep happening... Ge I guess so if these thugs keep breaking the law.......... Instead of preaching on TV.... PREACH to your race about CRIME...........
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 5:08 pm to
I mean how are people really acting like this wasnt justified? Possibly better protocol could be implemented in the future to prevent this, but at the time of the actual shooting it is clear all hell had broken loose.
Posted by LSUFAITHFUL
Member since Oct 2007
1089 posts
Posted on 7/7/16 at 5:10 pm to
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Just watched the second video again. It honestly looks like Sterling had a hold of Blanes arms/hands and was pulling him down when the first shots were fired


I swear I tought the same thing yesterday. Made me think maybe he was going for officers gun...not his own. It's just so fast, it's hard to say for sure cause the camera moves.
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 5:15 pm
Posted by BLIZZAKE7
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 5:11 pm to
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Just watched the second video again. It honestly looks like Sterling had a hold of Blanes arms/hands and was pulling him down when the first shots were fired


Blane's left hand was trying to withhold Sterling's right arm, while Blane has his gun drawn on Sterling's chest(after the first time they said he had a gun). To me, it appears Sterling continued to reach with his right arm, when Lake yells that he's going for the gun and Blane immediately shoots.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108713 posts
Posted on 7/7/16 at 5:13 pm to
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Blane's left hand was trying to withhold Sterling's right arm, while Blane has his gun drawn on Sterling's chest(after the first time they said he had a gun). To me, it appears Sterling continued to reach with his right arm, when Lake yells that he's going for the gun and Blane immediately shoots.
This is what I hear too. But it appears that Sterling yanks him down as well as the shots are being fired. I really dont see how anyone is calling this murder. It isnt even close.


ETA: I havent followed this story until today. Didnt want to. But once I found out who the officers were, I just watched it
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 5:14 pm
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
17109 posts
Posted on 7/7/16 at 5:13 pm to
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Possibly better protocol could be implemented in the future to prevent this, but at the time of the actual shooting it is clear all hell had broken loose.



I agree with this. At this point the only thing I can see that may need correcting is the attempt at getting into a ground struggle with someone that you suspect potentially has a gun. But there's nothing criminal in that and of course it's entirely subjective. In some cases, there is no right way to go about it if the suspect is intent on resisting. Not to mention I'd be willing to bet the same crowd raising hell would raise hell if the officers avoided the ground struggle and simply drew their weapons on Sterling after the taser failed.

They are literally in a lose/lose with people who want to frame every police shooting of a black man as a racist cop/state/white conspiracy to shoot "innocent" blacks.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 5:13 pm to
To be fair???? They are just looking for something to bitch about and with THIS happening. It gives them the right to destroy shite.... African Americans think EVERYONE is against them... I hate seeing them on TV saying "This was a good guy that did nothing wrong" And the Media eats it up.. They will NEER ask the questions that matter.[the media].. Why do black people COUNTINUE to disrespect the LAW??????
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